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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by newen »

Great, yet another China bad article that paints what is probably a jobs and reeducation program to modernize Tibet as something much more sinister.

Edit: Reeducation might be something as normal as going from an agricultural society to a modern one. Reeducation sounds very sinister, I'm sure, but Tibet was a feudal society just 60 years ago.

Also "reeducation" is entirely my phrasing and has connotations different from say "job training" or "education", which I could have easily used.

You can make almost any government program sound super sinister, especially when there are translation complications thrown into the mix.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by logicallee »

I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this. Take your time.

What's China going to do? Keep up its million people in concentration camps?

It'll totally say "hahaha that's funny we dont have any concentration camps though" and then free its concentration camps by deadline.

I think that's how it should play out.

Of course it is not what's happening. Everyone is turning a blind eye including me and people in this thread. The last time I suggested this course of action I was downvoted.

Guys, a million people is SO MANY. I mean ignoring fifty or a hundred thousand people is one thing. But a million?

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Edit: this is not a hawkish sentiment. Obviously the suggestion is absurd.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by [deleted] »

Aperocky wrote: post #8
paganel wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a genuine question? I don’t want to be snarky, but you are aware of the fact that government-imposed “mass labour” has almost always meant “forced labor” (I’m sure there might be some punctual exceptions, but the conclusion is the same), no?

Is Roosevelts New Deal 'forced labor'?

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by Miner49er »

iliveinchina wrote: post #20
Miner49er wrote: post #5

What China has done to Tibet is horrible. One thing that is missing from this article is how they are doing this? How are they coercing people? Are they literally dragging them out of their homes? Threatening them? Or are they just offering them opportunities that are actually preferable to their current conditions, and the people are accepting them?

I've hiked through regions of Tibet and talked to villagers in relatively remote areas. One thing I saw hiking in the mountains and valleys was abandoned nomad lodges and pastures. My Tibetan guide sadly explained to me that the local officials found the nomads too hard to manage when they were living independently and so used a system of sticks and carrots (fines and subsidies) to move them into villages that were c…

This is the information I was looking for, thank you.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by tomp »

Miner49er wrote: post #14
dx87 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says they are pushing them off the land and into factory jobs, so that implies to me that they don't want to leave, otherwise they wouldn't have to "push" them.

Why would the author use the word "pushing" if they don't know how this is actually happening? And if they know how it is actually happening, why leave it out of the article?

To stir more controversy and sell more pageviews? It's literally the definition of "clickbait".

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

newen wrote: post #17
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The government documents reviewed by Reuters put a strong emphasis on ideological education to correct the “thinking concepts” of laborers. “There is the assertion that minorities are low in discipline, that their minds must be changed, that they must be convinced to participate,” said Zenz, the Tibet-Xinjiang researcher based in Minnesota. > One policy document, posted on the website of the Nagqu City government i…

I don't think you'd want to whitewash Zenz as a Tibet-Xinjiang researcher when he is known to have said that he is on a religious mission against China. https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-...

Ok, so maybe the Zenz quote is out of place - I don't know his history, but I don't know think you can disregard the government documents by discrediting Zenz, especially as Reuters explicitly says it's investigated and corroborated some of those claims.

> Reuters corroborated Zenz’s findings and found additional policy documents, company reports, procurement filings and state media reports that describe the program.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by bwilli123 »

bognition wrote: post #3
bzb5 wrote: post #2

> over half a million people were trained as part of the project in the first seven months of 2020 - around 15% of the region’s population In the meantime countries such as Spain “enjoy” 50% unemployment of the young.

Are you suggesting that the Spanish gov't forcibly enroll youths in labor camps?

What is Conscription then? Or compulsory National Service?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by bouncycastle »

newen wrote: post #21

Great, yet another China bad article that paints what is probably a jobs and reeducation program to modernize Tibet as something much more sinister. Edit: Reeducation might be something as normal as going from an agricultural society to a modern one. Reeducation sounds very sinister, I'm sure, but Tibet was a feudal society just 60 years ago. Also "reeducation" is entirely my phrasing and has connotations different f…

What is a "reeducation program"? What are they being "re-educated about"?
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