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Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

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Reminds me of a similar machine I saw for pruning tree branches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6UZ_2OAHNI

I'm not sure you're aware, but this video has massively sped up the original recordings. It seems irregularly, too, like humans walking are only sped up about 2x, while the machines themselves more like 4x. Of course they had to cut the sound. I saw some (presumed) original recordings a while ago, and found the machines impressive, there was no need to speed it up.

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#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the fact that the training that goes behind this is a brutal busniess and the fact that monkey is a God figure, it would not be received well in India, I believe.

I do not think brutal training is necessary, but I might be wrong. Also I thought in India there a cows ploughing the fields, and they are also holy?

It's India - if it exists, it's holy. Holy cow, holy monkey, holy (cow) shit, holy elephants, holy snakes, holy rats, holy rock formations, holy wells, whatever.

Incidentally my aunt's home is located right next to a snake shrine of old (yes, they give offerings to snakes, mostly cobras, there), even though the area is predominantly resided by Muslims. On the other hand, there is a Hindu temple in another district dedicated to the worship of a Robinhood-esque thief who was a Muslim - and the offerings are mostly alcohol (and previously weed).

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

#153

There recently was a huge controversy in Thailand about using monkey labor for coconut harvesting which resulted in many shops and even countries considering banning thai coconut milk. [1] Since then I've been thinking: why is it so difficult to harvest coconuts? Surely a pair of long clipper or some sort of stick-like device ought to do it? I've popped a few coconuts myself of trees, it's not that complicated, right…

Is expensive if you need to buy it and have one or two palms, not so if you can just phone and hire a man with a robot a few times a year. Professional coconut harvesters would be either moved off the path, or could invest into buying a robot and be able to reduce their risk and work also with a broken arm or having a mild disease. It depends on robot price. If a coconut harvester is getting old, I can see how their digitally native sons or grandsons would want to buy one for easing his life.

The biggest problem is that 15 minutes to mount the robot (and a similar time to disassemble it again, probably), is probably more time that an experienced harvested would need to climb and take the fruit down.

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

#154
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post #21

I grew up in a remote village in south India. We had over two dozen coconut trees in our yard. I made a long loop in the mud that went around all these trees. I'd pull water out of the well using a rope & pulley & pour it down the loop. The water would wind its way until it reached all the two dozen trees. About an hour of this water pulling & the loop would stay wet for a few hours. This sort of manual work was stan…

One time as a tourist I stayed at a guest house in the Kerala backwaters. My host had several coconut trees and gave me a shot at climbing one. There was this contraption I harnessed to myself with a strap around the tree and I made it up a fair bit before realizing that there was no way in hell I was going to go any further, let alone perform any meaningful act of dexterity at the top of the tree. Everybody had a go…

Very interesting way to climb. When I was a kid I used to climb various trees but nothing straight and branchless like a coconut tree. Just looked up this on youtube[0]. The safety harness makes sense and the the loop for the feet does as well. As it goes, in India the coconut climber job is dwindling fast so this robot climber is very good replacement at the moment.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTrjuL5WL9w

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

#155

"As the population increasingly moves towards tech jobs, there's now a shortage of coconut harvesters in India." Is this really true? Is there a shortage of low skilled labor in India?

Coconut harvesting is not a low skilled job though. It pays very little because coconuts are cheap and it's traditionally a low status job.

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islamic + Christian colonialism covered about 1000 years, during which time the natives or Hindus were second class citizens. Somehow the poverty and destitution seems to be always blamed on the natives. Moreover Caste system is a European system introduced by the British to divide up communities.

The caste system existed long before Europeans ruled India. Caste system has roots in the Vedic society. "The varnas originated in Vedic society (c. 1500–500 BCE). The first three groups, Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishya have parallels with other Indo-European societies, while the addition of the Shudras is probably a Brahmanical invention from northern India." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_In…

... "there is no evidence in the Rigveda for an elaborate, much-subdivided and overarching caste system" [1]

Caste and any discrimination is abhorrent, and like others have commented is a more recent phenomenon. In old times and today, anyone can become a priest/Brahmin by learning. [2]

1. Same wikipedia page

2. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/amaravati/first-bat...

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

#157
post #21

I grew up in a remote village in south India. We had over two dozen coconut trees in our yard. I made a long loop in the mud that went around all these trees. I'd pull water out of the well using a rope & pulley & pour it down the loop. The water would wind its way until it reached all the two dozen trees. About an hour of this water pulling & the loop would stay wet for a few hours. This sort of manual work was stan…

I am from a southern district of Tamil Nadu. Here, we follow a different method to cut the coconuts. The harvesters do not climb the tree. Instead, they tie together bamboo poles to form one long pole and tie a sickle to one end. The harvester then cuts the coconut bunch from the ground. It is much more efficient and faster than climbing the trees. When I was young, I was fascinated by their craft. They are so good,…

Here people train small monkeys to climb and harvest the coconut fruits. The monkeys can only fell down old dried coconut fruits as the young fruit has tough stem, which requires knife to cut (obviously you wouldn't want to train a monkey to use a knife). The practice is now banned in many regions, so it's about time for robots to take over.

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

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post #155

"As the population increasingly moves towards tech jobs, there's now a shortage of coconut harvesters in India." Is this really true? Is there a shortage of low skilled labor in India?

Coconut harvesting is not a low skilled job though. It pays very little because coconuts are cheap and it's traditionally a low status job.

How many years of training does it take to aquire this skill?

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

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post #21

I grew up in a remote village in south India. We had over two dozen coconut trees in our yard. I made a long loop in the mud that went around all these trees. I'd pull water out of the well using a rope & pulley & pour it down the loop. The water would wind its way until it reached all the two dozen trees. About an hour of this water pulling & the loop would stay wet for a few hours. This sort of manual work was stan…

I am from a southern district of Tamil Nadu. Here, we follow a different method to cut the coconuts. The harvesters do not climb the tree. Instead, they tie together bamboo poles to form one long pole and tie a sickle to one end. The harvester then cuts the coconut bunch from the ground. It is much more efficient and faster than climbing the trees. When I was young, I was fascinated by their craft. They are so good,…

I grew up in Kerala (the place the robot is demoed). The method you mentioned is tough in a densely populated place like mine. Palm trees grow in our yards. A human needs to climb the tree and drop the coconuts carefully to avoid breaking tiled roofs or causing any other damage.

I believe it might be an issue with this robot too. But you can see this requirement in the design of other tools. It always involves climbing the tree.

Re: Indian robot climbs trees to harvest coconuts

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I enjoy the conversation here. So many people are assuming there is true thought in OPEX, CAPEX, and employer rights and employer safety in these operations. As others mentioned, Thailand used Monkeys. There is so much of a disconnect between this crowd and the farmers and the people this robot will actually replace. What is the average annual income of a farm hand in Thailand, Philippines, or any country that has co…

Good. I hope they lose these kinds of jobs to robots. Human beings shouldn’t be doing this kind of dirty and dangerous jobs. Once upon a time they used slaves from Africa to pick cotton in the newly formed United States. I often wish I was around to see the mechanical cotton harvester for the first time ever. I KNOW it would have taken my breath away. Consider this..there are 8 billion people in the world. Growing an…

And...consider this...to the farm hands, you just destroyed their way of income and their life.
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