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Why books don't work (2019)

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Re: Why books don't work (2019)

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I have thoroughly enjoyed the author's quantum country (https://quantum.country) and can definitely vouch for that essay's methods of improving cognition. 6 months later I can still recall quantum computation, which was a black box to me earlier.

However, I'm not sure I fully agree with with this essay, specifically the definition of what it means for a book to "work".

Is it necessary to be able to recall a book or a talk? I mean, it is good if you can, but is it a failure if you don't? Perhaps it isn't the fault of the medium. It may be the way our brains are structured. Maybe reading a book changes something subtly, not enough for recall, but a change nevertheless. Like training a neural net with one training example. I know that when I dig out a book that I have put aside several years ago, it seems much more approachable.

I think that reading a book increases your _capacity to receive_, and the more you read similar stuff (or the same thing over again), the more you are able to absorb. There comes a tipping point where you are able to see connections to other things you have read.

I approach books and articles like I approach music: I don't expect to recall much. If I want to recall it, I expect to revisit the material. Either way, the hours spent on it have not been fruitless.

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

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Brilliant article,but I'll give a simpler factor as well - people read too many damn books! Not reading too much per se but just too many books! That combined with the fact that most books are bloated crap (because the author is incentivized to make a book out of what should be a New Yorker article at best), means that most people can't even see the point because they've been ricocheted around a concept by a single o…

If you read only one book per year and most of them are old, how could you possibly know that "most books are bloated crap"?

Not the author of the comment. There was a time when I was reading and trying to read many non-fiction books. After some time I started noticing that many of them are padded with mantras and useless fluff. Most of them would make great 20-page essays and nothing more.

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

#53

For the given examples: The Selfish Gene; Thinking, Fast and Slow; Guns, Germs, and Steel, there is another issue not covered in the article: the books are philosophical interpretations of some facts the author chose to support their theories. Even more so, some of those facts and studies have been since debunked. So for these examples it is my opinion that it's not a case of books not working, but of very healthy br…

Yes, this stood out to me when I read the article. The examples he gives are all pop-science, all take some thesis and making a story from it that'll be interesting to a general audience.

I feel like he's looking at this through the prism of his speciality (producing interactive learning materials), and by doing that has missed the point a little bit. He's looking a genre of books at if they're a different thing to what they actually are, it's the wrong level.

I get reading a book once doesn't translate directly to "facts retained in memory" whereas his idealised new form of media does. But as you say, his examples are edutainment. I feel like what he's suggesting only usefully applies to either textbooks (which he's separated off into a different category anyway) or to a situation where the aim is to memorise as much as possible in a single reading. Which is fine! But it doesn't really need to happen for pop science -- just getting the general gist of an idea across in an entertaining package is okay.

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

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post #52
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read only one book per year and most of them are old, how could you possibly know that "most books are bloated crap"?

Not the author of the comment. There was a time when I was reading and trying to read many non-fiction books. After some time I started noticing that many of them are padded with mantras and useless fluff. Most of them would make great 20-page essays and nothing more.

Doesn't it has to do with the way you select non-fiction books? I don't mean it as "you are doing it wrong", but more that if you select from certain popular lists you get exactly that, because they are primary written to feel good while you read it and convince you author is right.

If you read history written by historians, you get completely different experience. Or if you read "for dummies" series.

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

#55

I see that this is the author of the excellent "Quantum Country" so perhaps the case being made here is obviously biased, for a good reason. I get a sense that the author seems to argue that most book authors are not conscious of the working memory of the reader. I don't think that is true. Many "good" non-fiction books I've read actually rely on space-repetitions throughout the text quite heavily. The author, to the…

> shift this burden to the medium This is beautifully expressed. Knowledge consists of connections across concepts but those connections are rarely shown explicitly in textbooks. Even wikipedia, while allowing you to traverse the connections back and forth easily, does not do a great job of giving you the bird's eye view of a subject or a field. Check out this "map" of mathematics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJ…

> Check out this "map" of mathematics: ... Every subject needs a similar map.

I often find this sort of approach to be rather counter-productive. If I am learning something, I'd be happy with my local part of the graph, the things that I specifically care about. It is much easier to make multi-hop connections in knowledge when one is really familiar with their local knowledge cluster. I, for one, find an absolute knowledge graph of everything quite intimidating and feel lost in the sea.

LearnAwesome looks interesting. Good luck!

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

#56
The author cites three mediocre pop science books and is dismayed that after a single reading, he finds himself unable to impress people at parties with his knowledge.

He says those books each take "6 to 9 hours" to read. Life changing books are read over the course of...well...an entire life. I have a small handful of books that I have read dozens of times. These are books with very big, and very old, ideas. They have defined my outlook on life, they give me inspiration and ideas in hard times. I have read them in important life transitions at every step. Real wisdom and knowledge comes from years of contemplation of big picture ideas. It's hard, and it's not the kind of thing that you do to look smart. Reading books is just a way of getting through life and trying to make sense of the world - for yourself.

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

#57
I fear the author, and many others, have treated many books as a thing to get through rather than a thing to make a part of yourself.

There is an excellent book (as it happens) called How To Read A Book by Mortimer J. Adler. The focus is on how to read for improved understanding rather than pleasure. There are many great ideas and tactics in the book but these are the ones that jump out for me:

- Not all books or even pages deserve to be read at the same speed or with the same care. Being able to identify which is which is a mark of a good reader

- If you don't understand a word or passage, continue through it. Perhaps you will understand it with greater context. Even if you don't, if the book as a whole turns out to be great then you should reread it, and if it doesn't you can cast it aside with little harm.

- An "inspectional reading" (a.k.a. skimming) is a useful tool for understanding what a book is about without dedicating a lot of time.

- Write in the margins. This helps to make a book your own.

That last point has really been a game changer for me. I've generally tried to keep my books "clean" but writing in the margins, underling, etc. incredibly improves 2nd, 3rd, and so-on readings.

In general you can tell if you've properly read a book by seeing if you can answer the the following questions:

-What is the book about?

-What is being said in detail?

-Is it true?

-What of it?

I think it's a neat idea to ask how we could improve books, but the assertion that books don't work remains unproven to me after reading this book (and after my own experience).

Lastly, I think of books as a necessary but inadequate component of much learning. I think Montaigne put it well (btw i read this in a book :)):

> To know by rote, is no knowledge, and signifies no more but only to retain what one has intrusted to our memory. That which a man rightly knows and understands, he is the free disposer of at his own full liberty, without any regard to the author from whence he had it, or fumbling over the leaves of his book. A mere bookish learning is a poor, paltry learning; it may serve for ornament, but there is yet no foundation for any superstructure to be built upon it...

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

#58
Jonathan Blow recently streamed a talk called 'Video Games and the Future of Education'[0] that makes similar arguments.

He discusses various tools we have to transmit knowledge from teacher to student and argues that games really shine as away to trick people into 'learning by doing'. He's sharply critical of existing educational games and really lays into 'gamification' as a concept.

The talk certainly left me hearing that echo that the author alludes to.

Books are great.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWFScmtiC44

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

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post #13

For the given examples: The Selfish Gene; Thinking, Fast and Slow; Guns, Germs, and Steel, there is another issue not covered in the article: the books are philosophical interpretations of some facts the author chose to support their theories. Even more so, some of those facts and studies have been since debunked. So for these examples it is my opinion that it's not a case of books not working, but of very healthy br…

Agree. I found Thinking, Fast and Slow painfully biased

I found it painfully slow and repetitive.

Re: Why books don't work (2019)

#60

As Ralph Waldo Emerson said: “I cannot remember the books I've read any more than the meals I have eaten; even so, they have made me.”

A great quote, and very applicable here. I think the author discounts the potential of the human mind to do things without their owners' knowledge or permission.

What I'm trying to say is that when we read a book for knowledge I think we must trust our subconscious to do the heavy lifting. I am a believer that our brains incorporate lessons read and experienced into decision making, even if we're not consciously calling on it or thinking about it directly.

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