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What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by sebmellen »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #4
guram11 wrote: post #2

> Remarkably, we found that the shape of the electric waves recorded in a non-acoustic area of the brain when linguistic expressions are being read silently preserves the same structure as those of the mechanical sound waves of air that would have been produced if those words had actually been uttered the Rosetta stone idea to map thought from languages waves (sound and light) is an interesting field of research I ha…

For me, some words and phrases sound better in one language than the other. So in my internal monologue, I often flip back and forth between Polish and English, sometimes multiple times in a single sentence. It feels like "the path of least resistance". I also do that sometimes when talking, when I know the other person is proficient in English. Not everyone appreciates this, but some of the best conversations in my…

I know the same feeling with English and German. It really is a wonderful thing. I think this would be called Code-switching [0].

> In linguistics, code-switching or language alternation occurs when a speaker alternates between two or more languages, or language varieties, in the context of a single conversation.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by ggrrhh_ta »

m0zg wrote: post #8

The article contains no examples of the "sound of thought". Epic fail.

I don't understand the downvoting; the MIT Press release could at least point to the research backing the claims, which I guess could be:

https://research.iusspavia.it/handle/20.500.12076/265

Or, despite being too recent to be in the book:

https://research.iusspavia.it/handle/20.500.12076/1463

(of the latter, I guess that this link: http://150.162.46.34:8080/embc-2015/papers/13891714.pdf is a summary)

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by ggrrhh_ta »

ggrrhh_ta wrote: post #7

Show me data, the signals. Except for maybe short pauses between phonological clusters, I need extraordinary proof to accept such extraordinary claims.

I attach some references that could be related:

https://research.iusspavia.it/handle/20.500.12076/265

Or, despite being too recent to be in the book:

https://research.iusspavia.it/handle/20.500.12076/1463

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

sebmellen wrote: post #11
TeMPOraL wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, some words and phrases sound better in one language than the other. So in my internal monologue, I often flip back and forth between Polish and English, sometimes multiple times in a single sentence. It feels like "the path of least resistance". I also do that sometimes when talking, when I know the other person is proficient in English. Not everyone appreciates this, but some of the best conversations in my…

I know the same feeling with English and German. It really is a wonderful thing. I think this would be called Code-switching [0]. > In linguistics, code-switching or language alternation occurs when a speaker alternates between two or more languages, or language varieties, in the context of a single conversation. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching

Wechseln even dans a fraza: http://www.europanto.be/cabillot1.html

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by [deleted] »

082349872349872 wrote: post #14
sebmellen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know the same feeling with English and German. It really is a wonderful thing. I think this would be called Code-switching [0]. > In linguistics, code-switching or language alternation occurs when a speaker alternates between two or more languages, or language varieties, in the context of a single conversation. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching

Wechseln even dans a fraza: http://www.europanto.be/cabillot1.html

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Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by torben-friis »

guram11 wrote: post #2

> Remarkably, we found that the shape of the electric waves recorded in a non-acoustic area of the brain when linguistic expressions are being read silently preserves the same structure as those of the mechanical sound waves of air that would have been produced if those words had actually been uttered the Rosetta stone idea to map thought from languages waves (sound and light) is an interesting field of research I ha…

I wonder if the same is true for languages where the writing system is not a representation of sounds, like written chinese.

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by spurgu »

082349872349872 wrote: post #14
sebmellen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know the same feeling with English and German. It really is a wonderful thing. I think this would be called Code-switching [0]. > In linguistics, code-switching or language alternation occurs when a speaker alternates between two or more languages, or language varieties, in the context of a single conversation. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching

Wechseln even dans a fraza: http://www.europanto.be/cabillot1.html

Haha.

Minä gör the same a menudo.

Yo teen det samma often.

I hago the same ofta.

Jag do lo mismo usein.

(FI/SV/EN/ES) :)

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by lethologica »

guram11 wrote: post #2

> Remarkably, we found that the shape of the electric waves recorded in a non-acoustic area of the brain when linguistic expressions are being read silently preserves the same structure as those of the mechanical sound waves of air that would have been produced if those words had actually been uttered the Rosetta stone idea to map thought from languages waves (sound and light) is an interesting field of research I ha…

>I have no idea how but since I was young I learned that I can read faster when I don't "voice" out the sound of thought

Subvocalisation is the term for that voice in your head when you read. I've never been able to get rid of it, and trying to has always resulted in me feeling like I'm skimming rather than reading.

Re: What Is the Sound of Thought?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

sebmellen wrote: post #11
TeMPOraL wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, some words and phrases sound better in one language than the other. So in my internal monologue, I often flip back and forth between Polish and English, sometimes multiple times in a single sentence. It feels like "the path of least resistance". I also do that sometimes when talking, when I know the other person is proficient in English. Not everyone appreciates this, but some of the best conversations in my…

I know the same feeling with English and German. It really is a wonderful thing. I think this would be called Code-switching [0]. > In linguistics, code-switching or language alternation occurs when a speaker alternates between two or more languages, or language varieties, in the context of a single conversation. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching

It really is wonderful! Good to know there's an established term for that, thanks!
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