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Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by Gravityloss »

nullsense wrote: post #81
raxxorrax wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are educational systems that mitigate that problem. Not perfectly, but to a large degree. Many people studying today had poor parents that never had any form of higher education. I don't think the US systems is good at this. It concentrates on excellence or at least the appearance of it, although there are probably exceptions if you parents are rich or influential. Bad thing is that it works to a degree because…

>I don't know about the issues in India, but perhaps lower caste members just don't have access to education. The caste system is about natural born status not tied to economics, but ancestral in nature. You're born into your caste and there isn't mobility within the system. So, try as you might, if you're in the lower caste you're in the lower caste and people higher up are going to treat you that way regardless. I'…

It's just been stable for longer.

The current inequality increasing systems in the west will lead to all kinds of equivalent effects. Multi-generational debt etc.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by rvn1045 »

The lack of self awareness amongst upper caste Indians in India and abroad is interesting to witness.

They often think of themselves as having come from humble backgrounds and 'made it' in society all on their own. Not realizing that the vast majority of Indians in India live in abject poverty without any meaningful access to basic education and other amenities. Upper caste Indians are more likely to have access to better education, have family from previous generations who were also college educated or worked well paid government jobs. These multi generational advantages have helped the current generation of the upper caste succeed in India and beyond.

The Upper caste live in their own bubble not even realizing the privilege they are born with.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by higerordermap »

teekert wrote: post #58

So... They nicely fit in with the upper-caste Americans. As long as you have a system where you make some "upper-caste" universities so expensive that only upper-caste people can attend them, you will keep the caste system alive. This is why education should not be privatized, there are no equal opportunities within the US as well as in India. It's all about what family you are born into. The whole caste system is al…

In india, caste system doesn't map so clearly to wealth.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by _jgdh »

rvn1045 wrote: post #92

The lack of self awareness amongst upper caste Indians in India and abroad is interesting to witness. They often think of themselves as having come from humble backgrounds and 'made it' in society all on their own. Not realizing that the vast majority of Indians in India live in abject poverty without any meaningful access to basic education and other amenities. Upper caste Indians are more likely to have access to b…

To be fair, it requires a lot self awareness and external education to learn about your own privilege and how difficult (relatively) other people have it. It's not easy.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by nullsense »

brazzy wrote: post #73
golergka wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the main human drives in life is to provide for their children. Why shouldn't you be able to spend all the resources you can to give your kids advantage? What I find curious about this discussion, which often occurs when people discuss what advantages are fair and unfair, estate tax and the like, is that they perceive each human being as a completely independent actor. Whereas for me, at least, it's more natur…

> Why shouldn't you be able to spend all the resources you can to give your kids advantage? Because it's absolutely toxic for society as a whole if inequality gets amplified over generations. Estate tax should ideally be 100% above a reasonable cap. And by "reasonable" I mean a sum definitely below "never needs to work to support a middle class lifestyle". > If the first generation achieved success, should it be rese…

I think it's bad if runs rampantly forever as eventually someone nefarious (which is more people than you might think) accumulates too much power and turns large swathes of society into a machine that benefits only them to everyone's detriment.

But at the same time it seems the pursuit of wealth engenders risk taking that brings about benefits for large swathes of society and turns society into a machine that constantly improves itself.

I like the game as it is, but perhaps a healthy modification would be to add a reset button where every couple of hundred years the slate is wiped clean and it all just starts again.

Tbh, I think that happens naturally though usually after a society has destroyed itself due to the first problem.

It'll happen to this one too eventually, so I don't see the need specifically to try to structure things in a way that will never go wrong or end badly. I don't think you can actually accomplish that with any one structure. It seems to be a game where some people win until it's game over and everyone loses.

Just my 2c.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by C1sc0cat »

triceratops wrote: post #43

Is this meant to be a news article or an editorial? The claims in the suit are horrifying and important to report and investigate. The tone is more suited to an opinion piece - and a badly-written one at that. Surely there's better reporting on this topic out there.

Giving you the benefit of doubt, Its a report of a legal case not Shure what your trying to say here.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by C1sc0cat »

oaiey wrote: post #50
racistthrowaway wrote: post #30

If this is real, it's purely brown-on-brown crime because non-indians have no idea wtf a caste system is. You all look the same to me. Which leads me to believe that this can't be happening on any systemic level (I did read the article, so yea it does happen but I can't believe that it happens a lot). "Caste-ist" indians simply don't hold enough sway in hiring decisions in the US to make any significant dent. If lowe…

I think the last years should have taught us that just because we do not see it, does not mean we are not responsible for changing it. And recruiting is something where engineers are also involved a lot. They recommend, they rate, they have networks, they may even be part of HR. Just to name some ways. If you get fired (e.g. of your visa protecting job) a well networked person has a lot more chances than someone not.

Well said

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by focus2020 »

thor24 wrote: post #11

It boils my blood reading something like this. A man who worked has worked for 20 yrs, paid taxes, provided for his family (in US and back home) has to suffer this much humiliation. Compound this with the fact the person must be (most likely) on his H1B so can't leave his job and prepare for another one in peace because 2 month window is a short one to find a job. If there is some karma in this world I hope Iyer/othe…

> A man who worked has worked for 20 yrs, paid taxes, provided for his family (in US and back home) ...

You don't understand what you have taken for granted. In the name of hindu religion, citing the vedas education has been denied to all non-brahmins(other than priestly caste) until Britishers arrived. This is the reason majority of the indians are first college goers in their family. For us what you described is the definition of heaven.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by rvn1045 »

_jgdh wrote: post #94
rvn1045 wrote: post #92

The lack of self awareness amongst upper caste Indians in India and abroad is interesting to witness. They often think of themselves as having come from humble backgrounds and 'made it' in society all on their own. Not realizing that the vast majority of Indians in India live in abject poverty without any meaningful access to basic education and other amenities. Upper caste Indians are more likely to have access to b…

To be fair, it requires a lot self awareness and external education to learn about your own privilege and how difficult (relatively) other people have it. It's not easy.

It really does not in a place like India where differences between the rich and the ultra poor are everywhere to witness. You cannot miss it. 90% of the country is living in poverty.
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