Why are Amnesty International monitors not able to observe the Assange hearing?

Post by grawprog » Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #175

LatteLazy wrote: post #85

I feel like the powers that be have decided to make this extradition happen. Most people don't care because they don't pay attention. Of those that do, the noisy attention payers like us, a sizeable group have decided Assange isn't likeable and so should suffer for upsetting people more powerful than him. Now we have to go through all this theatrics simply so those people can say things like "he got a fair hearing" a…

I’m not sure I parse things the way you do. Assange is accused of going beyond leaking into assisting Chelsea Manning get pass security systems. If he was not only the distributor of classified material, but actively participated in expropriating it, he’s on the wrong side of the law. Folks had been willing to overlook that, because they viewed him as sympathetic. But he’s undermined that with his connections to Russ…

Post by ximeng » Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 2:23 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #354

jjgreen wrote: post #353

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> It's fairly typical for the BBC to hold fire until the trial concludes and the legal restrictions around reporting are lifted. Simply not true, look at the coverage for the Johnny Depp libel trial on the BBC site, dozens of articles following the case day-by-day. The fact is they have become a celebrity news channel and don't want to rock the boat.

> Simply not true, look at the coverage for the Johnny Depp libel trial Are the legal and practical issues on a civil trial like that really identical to a criminal trial or criminal extradition?

Post by echaozh » Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 2:27 AM UTC

hilbertseries wrote: post #341

akira2501 wrote: post #339

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> Assange is accused of going beyond leaking into assisting Chelsea Manning get pass security systems. 1 out of the 18+ charges brought against him are for that. It's also a minor crime that would carry a 5 year penalty, which is hardly worth all this effort. The other 170 years of charges related to violations of the espionage act, and it's not at all clear that they would even apply to Assange who is not a U.S. cit…

> How so? Did he actively seek out Russian documents so he could release them? Julian Assange hosted a show on RT, he was literally on the payroll of the Russian government. Also suspicious is that Wikileaks basically has only leaked documents that look bad for western democracy. There’s one leak of critical of Russia, but it has basically nothing of substance in it. When you claim to be for radical transparency and…

Post by telchar » Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 2:57 AM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #374

dragonwriter wrote: post #372

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> America has no problem manipulating elections in other countries Yeah, but the targets always have a problem with it, except for the entities in the target nation that are in league with the Americans. So it's not so surprising that Americans have a problem when the roles are reversed, except the ones in league with the attacker.

Well sure, I just mean, I dunno, I guess what i'm trying to say is, 'he who casts the first stone, 'pots calling the kettle black'...'don't dish it if you can't take it'...etc.

Post by ineedasername » Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 3:23 AM UTC

Canada wrote: post #363

rayiner wrote: post #207

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Here is the superseding indictment itself: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1289641/downl... Assange is alleged to have actively recruited hackers and directed them to find particular information from particular sources. Among other things, agreed to assist Manning in deriving a password from a hash file. (It is irrelevant whether he succeeded or not—the crime of conspiracy is complete upon taking the f…

The allegation is made in paragraph 26 of the first section of the document you linked to. The conversation I understand this allegation relies on is on page 6 & 10 here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/886185-pe-123.html Manning is the one who passed the hash, not Assange. If it even is a hash, Manning is unsure. Assange never agreed to crack the password. There is no evidence Assange communicated the allege…