The Black Vault: A FOIA obsessive’s UFO-filled empire
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#2> The Black Vault’s biggest score to date may be its material related to MKUltra, a top-secret CIA project that involved dozens of mind-control experiments on US citizens and others. [..]
Why would this be the biggest score (title doesn't reflect it)? Was this the first documentation regarding MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE/BLUEBIRD?
For those interesting in CIA's attempts to explore New Age (e.g. apply "remote viewing") I can recommend the documentary The Men Who Stare At Goats [1]. There's also a Hollywood adaptation of it.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats
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#3> The Black Vault’s biggest score to date may be its material related to MKUltra, a top-secret CIA project that involved dozens of mind-control experiments on US citizens and others. [..] Why would this be the biggest score (title doesn't reflect it)? Was this the first documentation regarding MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE/BLUEBIRD? For those interesting in CIA's attempts to explore New Age (e.g. apply "remote viewing") I can re…
The remote viewing stuff was a bit silly, but the MKUltra stuff included a lot of very unethical human experimentation. These two things are not really in the same category in terms of scandal.
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#4> The Black Vault’s biggest score to date may be its material related to MKUltra, a top-secret CIA project that involved dozens of mind-control experiments on US citizens and others. [..] Why would this be the biggest score (title doesn't reflect it)? Was this the first documentation regarding MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE/BLUEBIRD? For those interesting in CIA's attempts to explore New Age (e.g. apply "remote viewing") I can re…
I assume the CIA leaks mkultra and related stuff to keep the crazies busy and troll other countries.
There's also patents for seemingly impossible technology filed by the Navy.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30645682...
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#5Oh look, HN's weekly UFO post.
If anybody asks how HN has changed over the years, just tell them, "Now there's a weekly UFO post."
Then judge them on their response.
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#6> The Black Vault’s biggest score to date may be its material related to MKUltra, a top-secret CIA project that involved dozens of mind-control experiments on US citizens and others. [..] Why would this be the biggest score (title doesn't reflect it)? Was this the first documentation regarding MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE/BLUEBIRD? For those interesting in CIA's attempts to explore New Age (e.g. apply "remote viewing") I can re…
The remote viewing stuff was a bit silly, but the MKUltra stuff included a lot of very unethical human experimentation. These two things are not really in the same category in terms of scandal.
People like to laugh about it, and the emphasis on the sillier aspects are, I think, intentional. They got up to some really nasty stuff.
Anyone not familiar with the program would do well to spend a couple minutes on the summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
And of course it served as the template for how to deal with the Abu Ghraib fallout:
Given the CIA's purposeful destruction of most records, its failure to follow informed consent protocols with thousands of participants, the uncontrolled nature of the experiments, and the lack of follow-up data, the full impact of MKUltra experiments, including deaths, may never be known.Re: The Black Vault: A FOIA obsessive’s UFO-filled empire
#7I'd say this looks like a hit:
"I asked Greenewald if he considers himself a journalist. After all, when he files foia requests, he does so under the news media category in order to get fee waivers."
[...]
"But Greenewald doesn’t identify that way. “Even though I write articles and interview people and get quotes, I’ve just never considered or labeled myself a journalist, simply because I didn’t do the formal schooling,” he said. "
Cue a spiteful bill from those agencies for back waived fees and other means to take the site down or punish him with process. I hope the gofundme for his defense gets posted here too. :)
I'm sure it's nothing.
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#8> The Black Vault’s biggest score to date may be its material related to MKUltra, a top-secret CIA project that involved dozens of mind-control experiments on US citizens and others. [..] Why would this be the biggest score (title doesn't reflect it)? Was this the first documentation regarding MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE/BLUEBIRD? For those interesting in CIA's attempts to explore New Age (e.g. apply "remote viewing") I can re…
I assume the CIA leaks mkultra and related stuff to keep the crazies busy and troll other countries. There's also patents for seemingly impossible technology filed by the Navy. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30645682...
Except MKULTRA was part of CIA’s “family jewels” —- indeed, it was so infamous that a cover letter to the DCI suggested they not familiarize themselves with the program in order to maintain plausible deniability. And MKULTRA was only part of a set of equally concerning operations, such as its progenitors, BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, or Project OFTEN, which collaborated with pharmaceutical firms to uncover drugs too risky for release that might have covert applications (and which were then tested on unwitting military personnel).
While CIA certainly uses disinformation for a variety of reasons, this doesn’t obviate the fact that the agency has been — largely if not quite entirely in the past — a very, very amoral actor.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume the CIA leaks mkultra and related stuff to keep the crazies busy and troll other countries. There's also patents for seemingly impossible technology filed by the Navy. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30645682...
Except MKULTRA was part of CIA’s “family jewels” —- indeed, it was so infamous that a cover letter to the DCI suggested they not familiarize themselves with the program in order to maintain plausible deniability. And MKULTRA was only part of a set of equally concerning operations, such as its progenitors, BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, or Project OFTEN, which collaborated with pharmaceutical firms to uncover drugs too risky…
> a very, very amoral actor
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
The remote viewing stuff was a bit silly, but the MKUltra stuff included a lot of very unethical human experimentation. These two things are not really in the same category in terms of scandal.
People like to laugh about it, and the emphasis on the sillier aspects are, I think, intentional. They got up to some really nasty stuff. Anyone not familiar with the program would do well to spend a couple minutes on the summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra And of course it served as the template for how to deal with the Abu Ghraib fallout: Given the CIA's purposeful destruction of most records, it…
One of the crazier projects https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax