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Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

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Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

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If Rockstar ever gets acquired, this will be one of the most expensive deals ever. They routinely sell games in the dozens of millions of units.

The people that made GTA great left so that well is going to dry up pretty quick

So more flying motorcycles that shoot rockets? :-) I think they ran out of ideas some time ago unless you count my example.

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

#542

Serious question... have we just given up on modern anti-trust? We're going to have the US as one large corporation now? No competition?

I believe it was in the 80's when they changed the interpretation of monopoly to only be illegal if it can be proven that the consumer suffers. So in a way, yes we have given up.

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

#543
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FWIW Ubisoft is very hostile to being acquired. I worked there for 6-7 years and the CEO fought off vivendis acquisition. Which was not the first. He has even gone so far as to decentralise the Canadian studios so that if the company was somehow acquired the aquirer could not close down studios without heavy fines from the Canadian government.

Could you elaborate on that last point or share a source? I don't doubt you but I don't understand the legal basis behind that move (but sounds interesting)!

I'm guessing here but the Canadian gov't often subsidizes tech & other engineering companies, so the strategy may be "have the company avail itself of as many subsidies as possible" with subsidies that commit the company to continue operating in City X for Y number of years.

example tech subsidy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_and_Experi...

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

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There's no way they could trash any franchise worse than Bethesda has trashed Fallout.

I think that's overstating it. Fallout 4 was well received even if it was a little disappointing. So it really is just Fallout 76. They can recover from that, especially considering that Fallout 76 wasn't even a proper mainline sequel.

A lot of people think that Fallout 76 did recover with the last expansion pack (and cross-play and Game Pass). Microsoft acquiring Bethesda even further insures at the very least it will stay a Game Pass mainstay for some time now.

(Also, it is interesting to note that with the Bethesda purchase, Microsoft will now own "all" of Fallout and the "Fallout diaspora" caused by Interplay's death, as Microsoft already owned development studios Oblivion [made FO:Vegas, had developers involved with FO1 and FO2] and inXile [had developers on FO1, FO2, and FO-predecessor Wasteland 1/2/3, and was in a blood feud of sorts with Oblivion].)

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

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TikTok is not an investment in tech, it’s an investment in relations with the US public sector. The fact that it comes with an actual company attached is almost irrelevant for Oracle.

MS has plenty of "relations with the US public sector" already, they won the DOD JEDI contract. They didn't need to spend anything on TikTok. TikTok is a fad, like Instagram and other social networks.

I'm not sure about this take. Are Facebook and Twitter fads 15 something years later?

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

#546

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Uhh we still build things like pyramids all the time - Three Gorges Dam, Burj Khalifa, One World Trade Center - it's just we don't build pyramids themselves anymore.

Hm. The pyramids were an architectural and supply chain genius stroke considering when they were made. It also took fantastic human sacrifice to achieve that. One world trade center was built with the assistance of trains and semi trucks brining ore to smelters and steel to the construction site, electricity, cranes etc. Minus the slavery, have we really expended that much human effort and equivalent wealth and time…

This is only tangentially related, but because you are all leaning on this pyramid analogy so hard, I thought I would mention that many scholars now believe the pyramids to have been built by some type of salaried (and very skilled) labor. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_constructio...

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

#547

Bethesda Games are not going not be exclusive to Xbox -- Confirmed by Todd Howard: >Like our original partnership, this one is about more than one system or one screen. We share a deep belief in the fundamental power of games, in their ability to connect, empower, and bring joy. And a belief we should bring that to everyone - regardless of who you are, where you live, or what you play on. Regardless of the screen siz…

> Bethesda Games are not going not be exclusive to Xbox -- Confirmed by Todd Howard

eh, I read this as games will still come out on PC and probably the odd token Nintendo switch release here and there.

I doubt there will be PS5 releases of Bethedsa games.

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

#548
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Pyramids are hard to build without a super-feudal economy and society. But we got rid of that, losing the practical ability to make pyramids in the process, because we value other things like democracy higher.

Uhh we still build things like pyramids all the time - Three Gorges Dam, Burj Khalifa, One World Trade Center - it's just we don't build pyramids themselves anymore.

The Burj Khalifa was notoriously built with more or less slave labour, so maybe not the best example.

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

#549

Microsoft bought Bungie in 2000. -(Halo was going to be for mac, and demoed by Steve Jobs who I guess made it look so great Bungie sold.) released a bunch of very successful games as xbox exclusives. 7 years later Bungie left microsoft as its own company again. (not sure how that happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungie

Also note they Microsoft mismanaged the Halo property royally. The most recent failure the delay of Halo Infinite, that allegedly has been in development for over 4 years and will miss the launch of the new Xbox console due to poor quality. Microsoft also run Rare almost into irrelevancy after the acquisition. Not the greatest track record there.

Re: Microsoft to acquire ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks for $7.5B

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I hope this acquisition will fix Bethesda. Skyrim was their last game worth talking about, everything since then has either been effectively a Skyrim mod or a cash grab. With exception to Doom.

I loved Fallout 4

Every game has somebody who loves it. Even that terrible Superman game. Fallout 4 wasn't total garbage, but it was huge step down from Fallout 3 or Skyrim.
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