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Re: I no longer build software

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Add me to the list of software developers who desires to switch to woodworking/machining.

I too would love to do it. It irks me to this day that I was taught nonsense such as latin in school instead of woodwork or metalwork.

I wish I had taken anything but latin in HS. Only reason I did it was because of colleges requiring foreign language classes, and by the time I had graduated, I didn't have any plans of going to college.

Re: I no longer build software

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post #75

Add me to the woodworking ex-developers. I built a website that pays the bills, and now I have a lot of time on my hands. I am finishing my first piece of furniture today. It's pretty scary to work without an undo button. The physical world isn't just instructions, but movements. A little twitch can ruin a cut. A clumsy movement can dent a piece of wood you spent an hour sanding. You truly experience the meaning of "…

Hit the nail on the head. Work is work and it drains passion out for most people. Obviously not all cases, but at least I feel of you are looking for purpose and joy from work you may be looking in the wrong spot.

Re: I no longer build software

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post #20

Amen. Modern software development is frankly kinda sucky. The old days pre-2000 were arguably a lot more enjoyable. Today it's just digital plumbing and dealing with all sorts of issues that are not creative. The sheer complexity is frankly absurd as well. I've thought about moving on from software many times, and I know many who have. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's best way to spend your short l…

>Not to mention that sitting in front of a computer all day is not the best use of one's body. You can say that about all desk jobs(even bus drivers) since they all sit on a chair the whole day but at least in some cases we get paid better and have more free time to take care of ourselves. And unlike the bus driver, I can leave work or take a coffee/toilet break whenever I want. And labor jobs that don't require sitt…

Personal trainer is fairly bad for your body and wellbeing as well. Its basically split shifts since clients want training either before or after their work. So sleep is an issue.

If work was easy then we wouldn't need to be paid for it.

Re: I no longer build software

#104
post #20

Amen. Modern software development is frankly kinda sucky. The old days pre-2000 were arguably a lot more enjoyable. Today it's just digital plumbing and dealing with all sorts of issues that are not creative. The sheer complexity is frankly absurd as well. I've thought about moving on from software many times, and I know many who have. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's best way to spend your short l…

If it pays well for as a job, what else can you ask for? Unless you are independently wealthy, how can one be so picky as to complain about the nuances of software development at the tooling/dependency management level? Sheesh Look at the broader job market. Compare the pros n' cons of any career against software development. Compare the barrier to entry, demand, and other market conditions. Software dev comes out pr…

I will complain about whatever I want. I will not force others to hear/read it or agree with me. But I will do this and I will not care about other describing it as a picky and entitled.

Re: I no longer build software

#105
post #8

This made me laugh, because I actually am planning on making a transition to woodworking. My house is paid off, and I can live on a fairly small income that I can probably generate mostly from passive income. If I can actually supplement that with building furniture, bonus. If not, then I still get to build furniture.

Add me to the list of software developers who desires to switch to woodworking/machining.

Timber framing here. That's woodworking.

Re: I no longer build software

#106

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Add me to the list of software developers who desires to switch to woodworking/machining.

Add me too. Somehow the joy of seeing things being built from raw materials in the real world equates that of complex software being created out of nothing. But the finite element of the real world has that extra satisfying element: no dependencies to update, (mostly) no security patches, generally less maintenance, and it lasts longer.

No undo button. CTRL-z is the thing you will miss most in the real world.

Re: I no longer build software

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post #87

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I think you misinterpreted my comment. I do wood work and I create software. Wood working is intellectually stimulating, however, wood working grunt work is very much not so. I’m fairly certain that writing maintenance scripts or plumbing between old APIs is more interesting than running a bandsaw or a belt sander 10 or so times repetitively.

>maintenance scripts or plumbing between old APIs A big No from me, looks like we just have different tastes.

Both are grunt work, the point is that manual labor grunt work is just as bad or worse. Do you do manual labor?

Re: I no longer build software

#108

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You might find that what was a hobby is not as much fun as a job. I mentioned this to an actual "rock star" developer London session musician with a doctorate in music who moved to development after teaching themselves after an accident.

I have a job writing software, and in my spare time I write software as a hobby. The job is much less enjoyable than the hobby, because in the hobby I'm doing, by definition, only things I like. I think any hobby is less enjoyable when you have it as a job, since you sometimes need to do things you don't like doing or aren't interested in.

There are lots of people who generate income from some type of cottage industry hobby. Woodworking, candles, jewellery, preserves, decorations. If you’ve got a bunch of equity to fall back on (in the form of your home plus securities), then you’re in a much better position to escape the pressure to do unwanted work.

The above is one of the major reasons I’m such a fan of basic income. I think we’d see a lot more cottage industry shops, used bookstores, cafés, and the like, if we all had basic income to cover our basic needs.

Heck, even software developers can get in on the game by working on their own passion projects. Whether it’s indie gaming or retro computing, a new photo editor or CAD software, or perhaps a new sort of application never before seen. There’s just so much cool stuff people can do with computers when they aren’t trying to build a startup aimed at a big exit.

Re: I no longer build software

#109
post #20

Amen. Modern software development is frankly kinda sucky. The old days pre-2000 were arguably a lot more enjoyable. Today it's just digital plumbing and dealing with all sorts of issues that are not creative. The sheer complexity is frankly absurd as well. I've thought about moving on from software many times, and I know many who have. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's best way to spend your short l…

This comment sums up exactly how I feel about my work and career at this point.

Re: I no longer build software

#110

Sounds like a humble brag to stroke his own ego. Wood working grunt work is virtually infinitely less intellectually stimulating than software grunt work. If he’s working for himself now, good for him but the comment just comes off as superfluous and pretentious

I couldn't stimulate myself intellectually reading your comment :(

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