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Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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Amusing given the artificially high airplane prices right now. For example, if you need to make an emergency trip from SFO to Melbourne, that will run you about $10,000 right now. Normally that flight would be about $4,000 for a next day ticket.

My favorite budget airline is doing $11 flights. I flew Denver -> SF this weekend for $33.

Which one? Is it Spirit? Those guys are a nightmare.

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Amusing given the artificially high airplane prices right now. For example, if you need to make an emergency trip from SFO to Melbourne, that will run you about $10,000 right now. Normally that flight would be about $4,000 for a next day ticket.

Flights to OZ are so expensive because the government is limiting how many passengers can arrive per day. The government is very serious about discouraging international travel (and returning) if you’re poor. https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/australia-to-limit-i... https://www.pm.gov.au/media/national-cabinet-7aug2020 Would make more sense to just have an arrival tax, but why do that when you can gift the airl…

No, it wouldn't. The government has placed a (mostly) hard limit of 3000 people per week entering per day. An arrival tax might raise revenue but it doesn't guaranteed the policy goal - 3000 people a week.

Now, why the Federal Government isn't using its powers to set up quarantine centres on Christmas Island and other appropriate locations is a better question to be asking. They were pretty happy to do it at the beginning of the pandemic when they were quarantining people coming from China.

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That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

Bunker fuel is usually awful too, and this stuff has less sulfur at least.

For anyone unaware, bunker fuel is an absolutely nasty mixture. Ships are able to do anything they want once in international waters, which means it just gets dumped on the regular only to then follow environmental rules when at a destination.

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My favorite budget airline is doing $11 flights. I flew Denver -> SF this weekend for $33.

Europe as well had bargain basement prices over the summer. Australia, on the other hand, is still in Covid elimination mode. I know that Perth right now is only letting in 75 people a day, and I can imagine you're paying for a lot of empty seats on a long range liner. I'm the case of Perth, it seems the one flight in per day is coming from Singapore. Therefore in my case it would be a matter of getting there first,…

It's crazy isn't it!

We had a trip back to Perth penciled in for September this year but as you can imagine thats been put on a somewhat indefinite hold...

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Flights to OZ are so expensive because the government is limiting how many passengers can arrive per day. The government is very serious about discouraging international travel (and returning) if you’re poor. https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/australia-to-limit-i... https://www.pm.gov.au/media/national-cabinet-7aug2020 Would make more sense to just have an arrival tax, but why do that when you can gift the airl…

No, it wouldn't. The government has placed a (mostly) hard limit of 3000 people per week entering per day. An arrival tax might raise revenue but it doesn't guaranteed the policy goal - 3000 people a week. Now, why the Federal Government isn't using its powers to set up quarantine centres on Christmas Island and other appropriate locations is a better question to be asking. They were pretty happy to do it at the begi…

I honestly don't understand the OZ approach as of today.

We have immediate family there (sister in law) and are unable to visit. Heck we even would go to quarantine for 14 days in order to see them afterwards for a couple of weeks and/or some longer travels.

The current situation where ~25'000 Australians are still unable to get back home makes no sense to me. Even leaving Australia for personal travel is not really possible at this time due to the restrictions in place.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favorite budget airline is doing $11 flights. I flew Denver -> SF this weekend for $33.

Europe as well had bargain basement prices over the summer. Australia, on the other hand, is still in Covid elimination mode. I know that Perth right now is only letting in 75 people a day, and I can imagine you're paying for a lot of empty seats on a long range liner. I'm the case of Perth, it seems the one flight in per day is coming from Singapore. Therefore in my case it would be a matter of getting there first,…

Perth might let in 75 people in a day, but regular travel for tourists is still not possible, at all. Even if they would go to for quarantine.

https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/travel-restrictions

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Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

> Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. Indeed. Jet fuel is quite similar to diesel oil, except it's slightly more volatile (on average slightly shorter hydrocarbon chains). To the point it's possible to run (some, not all) diesel engines on jet fuel. > In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions a…

Once jet fuel has been onboard an aircraft, it can't be sold to any other airline / operators due to possible contamination.

So if a pilot needs an aircraft defuelled for whatever reason (maintenance, etc), some airports will simply use that fuel as diesel for their own airside vehicles.

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Amusing given the artificially high airplane prices right now. For example, if you need to make an emergency trip from SFO to Melbourne, that will run you about $10,000 right now. Normally that flight would be about $4,000 for a next day ticket.

My favorite budget airline is doing $11 flights. I flew Denver -> SF this weekend for $33.

Berlin -> Dublin 20 euro here.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it wouldn't. The government has placed a (mostly) hard limit of 3000 people per week entering per day. An arrival tax might raise revenue but it doesn't guaranteed the policy goal - 3000 people a week. Now, why the Federal Government isn't using its powers to set up quarantine centres on Christmas Island and other appropriate locations is a better question to be asking. They were pretty happy to do it at the begi…

I honestly don't understand the OZ approach as of today. We have immediate family there (sister in law) and are unable to visit. Heck we even would go to quarantine for 14 days in order to see them afterwards for a couple of weeks and/or some longer travels. The current situation where ~25'000 Australians are still unable to get back home makes no sense to me. Even leaving Australia for personal travel is not really…

They've determined that the risk of quarantine scales with the quantity of people going through it.

Given the entirety of the current outbreak has been traced back to quarantine failures, this is somewhat understandable.

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Here's the Safety Data Sheet for JET A-1[0]: >H226 Flammable liquid and vapour >H315 Causes skin irritation >H336 May cause drowsiness or dizziness >H304 May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways >H411 Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effect [0] https://www.neste.fi/static/ktt/10505_eng.pdf

So you shouldn't drink it, breathe it, or swim in it? I don't know if I'd call that "hellacious" in the "things I won't work with" sense.

For "things I won't work with" it needs atleast "flammable upon contact with skin/oxygen" or "friction explosive, no lower bound" or even "highly toxic and highly carcinogenic".
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