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Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

Uh what? Jet fuel is basically the same as kerosene. It's no more toxic than gasoline or any other hydrocarbon.

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post #21

Amusing given the artificially high airplane prices right now. For example, if you need to make an emergency trip from SFO to Melbourne, that will run you about $10,000 right now. Normally that flight would be about $4,000 for a next day ticket.

My favorite budget airline is doing $11 flights. I flew Denver -> SF this weekend for $33.

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post #21

Amusing given the artificially high airplane prices right now. For example, if you need to make an emergency trip from SFO to Melbourne, that will run you about $10,000 right now. Normally that flight would be about $4,000 for a next day ticket.

My favorite budget airline is doing $11 flights. I flew Denver -> SF this weekend for $33.

Europe as well had bargain basement prices over the summer.

Australia, on the other hand, is still in Covid elimination mode. I know that Perth right now is only letting in 75 people a day, and I can imagine you're paying for a lot of empty seats on a long range liner.

I'm the case of Perth, it seems the one flight in per day is coming from Singapore. Therefore in my case it would be a matter of getting there first, which is a bit cheaper. Still, factor in the cost of quarantine and you're back to 10 grand. Unfortunately won't be making it back for Christmas this year :(

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post #21

Amusing given the artificially high airplane prices right now. For example, if you need to make an emergency trip from SFO to Melbourne, that will run you about $10,000 right now. Normally that flight would be about $4,000 for a next day ticket.

Yes, in some places they've switched to the model where the focus is on the people who really need to fly.

Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

#27

If I'm reading the chart right, jet fuel prices are currently negative? Is this because they keep making it and have nowhere to store it? Also, > very low-sulfur fuel oil for the maritime industry I thought the maritime industry didn't care one bit about the environment and would use nasty fuel once in international waters?

> I thought the maritime industry didn't care one bit about the environment and would use nasty fuel once in international waters?

As of 2020 the sulphur limit has been lowered from the previous 3.5% to 0.5% (which is still a lot higher than modern road diesel). Alternatively, ships can use scrubbers to remove sulphur oxides from the exhaust gas.

http://www.imo.org/en/mediacentre/hottopics/pages/sulphur-20...

Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

> Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline.

Indeed. Jet fuel is quite similar to diesel oil, except it's slightly more volatile (on average slightly shorter hydrocarbon chains). To the point it's possible to run (some, not all) diesel engines on jet fuel.

> In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars.

There's also kerosene as in lamp oil, or used as cooking fuel e.g. in camping equipment. That is a specially refined very pure form of kerosine. You shouldn't use jet fuel in your camping stove.

> Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

Some fighter jets (F-16 at least) used hydrazine (which is incredibly toxic) for some emergency power generation turbine. But the main fuel is still normal jet fuel. Though the military version of jet fuel (JP-8) contains some additives, but the effect of those is quite minor.

Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

#29

That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

jet fuel is routinely dumped if needed:

https://www.popsci.com/story/technology/airplane-fuel-dumpin...

Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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post #21

Amusing given the artificially high airplane prices right now. For example, if you need to make an emergency trip from SFO to Melbourne, that will run you about $10,000 right now. Normally that flight would be about $4,000 for a next day ticket.

Flights to OZ are so expensive because the government is limiting how many passengers can arrive per day.

The government is very serious about discouraging international travel (and returning) if you’re poor.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/australia-to-limit-i...

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/national-cabinet-7aug2020

Would make more sense to just have an arrival tax, but why do that when you can gift the airlines their own oligopoly instead.

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