Hey guys, try and follow the laws of the country in which you live. Even if you think it's unjust, you can't change it if you're dead.
Your odds of changing it do not decrease significantly when you die.
A death sentence for a young Chinese businesswoman chills entrepreneurs
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#42What strikes me as odd is that she pleaded guilty and helped broaden the investigations and still got a death penalty. This pretty much removes any incentive for a guilty plea and for helping an investigation.
I think it's fairly reasonable to consider whether she is facing capital punishment for financial fraud or for having helped broaden the investigation in the wrong direction.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
"A bit harsh" is a lot of an understatement. They're talking about killing her .
How is execution different than 150 years in prison, aside from the chance to be exonerated later? Madoff's life is just about as thoroughly destroyed as Wu's. They will both die in prison. I dislike capital punishment for several reasons, in particular the greater potential to be applied falsely, but I do not feel that Madoff's sentence is substantially less harsh.
> How is execution different than 150 years in prison
In China, it's much cheaper.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the convicted can answer this question better than I. They almost always prefer to keep living.
It'd be interesting to see numbers on how many people serving a life sentence would choose to commit suicide if materials for a painless suicide were readily available. Prisons actively attempt to keep people from doing so, and it's apparently frequent enough to be a major problem at some prisons.
Depression can be a factor here.
Re: A death sentence for a young Chinese businesswoman chills entrepreneurs
#45Hey guys, try and follow the laws of the country in which you live. Even if you think it's unjust, you can't change it if you're dead.
The law is only just if applied equally. I would have less problems if Chinese authorities prosecuted everyone involved in fraud.
Discretionary application of the law is a worst-case-scenario.
Re: A death sentence for a young Chinese businesswoman chills entrepreneurs
#46Hey guys, try and follow the laws of the country in which you live. Even if you think it's unjust, you can't change it if you're dead.
Your odds of changing it do not decrease significantly when you die.
I'm of the opinion that you change more by talking with others.
I guess if you become a martyr, it's different.
Re: A death sentence for a young Chinese businesswoman chills entrepreneurs
#47Hey guys, try and follow the laws of the country in which you live. Even if you think it's unjust, you can't change it if you're dead.
The law is only just if applied equally. I would have less problems if Chinese authorities prosecuted everyone involved in fraud. Discretionary application of the law is a worst-case-scenario.
But that's what you have even in Canada and the US if you get down to it. Discretionary = someone made noise about it.
Re: A death sentence for a young Chinese businesswoman chills entrepreneurs
#48Hey guys, try and follow the laws of the country in which you live. Even if you think it's unjust, you can't change it if you're dead.
What if the laws make criminals of ordinary, innocent things. This is pretty much the case in China(and many countries actually) its impossible to live without commiting some kind of crime. Thats how they get you.
This article (inspired by a book, I believe) is relevant:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870447150457443...
Re: A death sentence for a young Chinese businesswoman chills entrepreneurs
#49What strikes me as odd is that she pleaded guilty and helped broaden the investigations and still got a death penalty. This pretty much removes any incentive for a guilty plea and for helping an investigation. I think it's fairly reasonable to consider whether she is facing capital punishment for financial fraud or for having helped broaden the investigation in the wrong direction.
>and still got a death penalty.
The death penalty alone is better than execution of you and your kids, or better than torture and execution, etc..
Re: A death sentence for a young Chinese businesswoman chills entrepreneurs
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
It'd be interesting to see numbers on how many people serving a life sentence would choose to commit suicide if materials for a painless suicide were readily available. Prisons actively attempt to keep people from doing so, and it's apparently frequent enough to be a major problem at some prisons.
Depression can be a factor here.
I think depression comes with the punishment of life imprisonment, so the ? about the availability of suicide is still valid.