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Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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Post by controversia »

melling wrote: post #8
sp332 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bunker fuel is usually awful too, and this stuff has less sulfur at least.

i thought new restrictions on sulfur largely reduced emissions in shipping. https://e360.yale.edu/features/at-last-the-shipping-industry...

It does. An interesting side effect is that it could cause more CO2 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c.... Also sulfur has a love hate relationship with global warming. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-22/new-sh...

Re: Jet Fuel Is Now So Cheap It’s Being Blended for Use by Ships

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

Causality1 wrote: post #3

That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

Mayn't your thinking about hydeazine?

It is used in sons jets, eg the F16 emergency power unit is fired by hydra one, but it's not usually called 'jet fuel', more like rocket fuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrazine

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Post by rodgerd »

Causality1 wrote: post #3

That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

It's certainly polluting, but it's no 80s Formula 1 fuel:

"It should be mentioned that the final versions of these synthetic fuels had been very expensive, up to $ 300 per litre, and also in some cases very poisonous."

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/34397-bmws-exotic-fuel-in...

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Post by dehrmann »

ars wrote: post #9
Causality1 wrote: post #3

That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

There's also Avgas. That's still leaded.

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Post by TylerE »

ars wrote: post #9
Causality1 wrote: post #3

That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

It isn't "just kerosene".

It it MOSTLY kerosene, but as usual it's the last 1% that kills you - various additives to prevent things like icing and corrosion, and benzene and various napthas.

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Post by desdiv »

ars wrote: post #9
Causality1 wrote: post #3

That's worrying. Jet fuel is hellaciously toxic and I wonder how prepared shipboard operators are to handle the proper safety precautions.

Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

Here's the Safety Data Sheet for JET A-1[0]:

>H226 Flammable liquid and vapour

>H315 Causes skin irritation

>H336 May cause drowsiness or dizziness

>H304 May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways

>H411 Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effect

[0] https://www.neste.fi/static/ktt/10505_eng.pdf

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Post by beervirus »

desdiv wrote: post #16
ars wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

Here's the Safety Data Sheet for JET A-1[0]: >H226 Flammable liquid and vapour >H315 Causes skin irritation >H336 May cause drowsiness or dizziness >H304 May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways >H411 Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effect [0] https://www.neste.fi/static/ktt/10505_eng.pdf

Sounds like kerosene.

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Post by jcranmer »

desdiv wrote: post #16
ars wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

Here's the Safety Data Sheet for JET A-1[0]: >H226 Flammable liquid and vapour >H315 Causes skin irritation >H336 May cause drowsiness or dizziness >H304 May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways >H411 Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effect [0] https://www.neste.fi/static/ktt/10505_eng.pdf

That's basically true of any fuel on the petroleum spectrum.

Here's an MSDS for what you pump into your car as fuel: https://www.vercounty.org/MSDS/EMA/9950allgradesgasoline.pdf. Note how it's basically saying the same thing?

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Post by taneq »

desdiv wrote: post #16
ars wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jet fuel is just kerosene. Why do you say it's hellaciously toxic? It's pretty similar to other fuels like gasoline. In rural areas you can buy kerosene at gas stations, there are no special precautions above and beyond the same ones used for gasoline for cars. Perhaps you're thinking of fuel for fighter jets? Because some of those can be incredibly toxic.

Here's the Safety Data Sheet for JET A-1[0]: >H226 Flammable liquid and vapour >H315 Causes skin irritation >H336 May cause drowsiness or dizziness >H304 May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways >H411 Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effect [0] https://www.neste.fi/static/ktt/10505_eng.pdf

So you shouldn't drink it, breathe it, or swim in it? I don't know if I'd call that "hellacious" in the "things I won't work with" sense.
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