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Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by colinmhayes »

burkaman wrote: post #84
disown wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He refined it to, (rough quote), "Changes to your behavior and actions are the product" That's true of all media. Doesn't matter if you pay for it or not. Even netflix. Even this post. What is the "documentary" trying to achieve? Change behavior. Who is behind the social media campaign? "Ask HN: What do you think about “The Social Dilemma”?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24468533 > That distinction made the…

> What is the "documentary" trying to achieve? Change behavior. But will the filmmakers profit if they succeed? They don't make any money by successfully changing your mind.

Well yea they will make money if they succeed because that means they made a good documentary and will be paid to make more.

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by Whut »

I really liked the information in this movie. I didn't hear anything that I didn't already know, but I thought it was well done. I really hope people turn away from these technologies. I feel like the only way we can heal our information ecosystem is buy educating people about the dangers of a social media heavy information diet. I think we also need to be mindful of the identities within us that these algorithms are exploiting. Ask yourself how you feel when you get off these sites. My answer was always "mad', "angry" or "sad". Once you realize the effect these sites have on your mood, you're a lot more motivated to change your behavior.

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by pseudalopex »

gtsop wrote: post #123
swyx wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think the more accurate answer is Engagement. we made it maximize paperclips, it maximized paperclips. sadly the most engaging is the most extreme.

I think money is more accurate really since noone cares about engagement for the sake of engegement, but rather for the money engagement generates.

Money is the root cause. Engagement is the direct cause. Both are important.

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Is it supposed to be ironic that this show is, in effect, an advertisement for Netflix?

By not mentioning that Netflix’s goal is to get consumers to watch nonsense all day, it appears so...

Netflix would love people to log off of Facebook and log on Netflix :)

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by 01100011 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #174

Is it supposed to be ironic that this show is, in effect, an advertisement for Netflix? By not mentioning that Netflix’s goal is to get consumers to watch nonsense all day, it appears so... Netflix would love people to log off of Facebook and log on Netflix :)

Does Netflix make more money when I spend more time on their platform?

I'm sure there will be a day when they do, but right now I think they make a flat subscription fee from me. Maybe they can sell more of my viewing habits the longer I watch? Maybe they have content which they're paid to serve? I don't know. I think that, right now, Netflix really isn't in the same category as the big social media companies.

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by 01100011 »

elorant wrote: post #31
_mkef wrote: post #20

Great movie that I agree with 1000% . I suggest Lost Connections and 10 Arguments for deleting your social media ( mentioned in the movie) as well. I stopped using all social media as of last year and the results have been amazing. I'm more at peace , I no longer getting into stupid Facebook arguments. Online you aren't interacting with whole people, so being absurdly mean is easy. Most people online are just their f…

I no longer getting into stupid Facebook arguments That's the one thing I absolutely loathe about Facebook. There's no constructive dialogue going on. Everyone is so full of themselves that any kind of argument derails pretty fast. And then there is the fact that the platform doesn't provide the structure for long conversations. After a couple of replies all text has the same indentation so it's hard to see who's res…

In my experience, reddit and other online discussion forums have been just as bad as Facebook at times.

Online communities like reddit and, yes, HN, are echo chambers to varying degrees. They can also elicit a sort of inhumane treatment of others by depersonalizing them, sort of like what happens when people get behind the wheel of a vehicle.

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by jim_and_derrick »

hervature wrote: post #170
dominotw wrote: post #101

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social contact is a need. I don't think i can actually survive without watsapp.

I'll be the first to tell you that humans are social beings that need social contact. I'll also be the first to tell you that social media is not necessary for that. I assume you're being hyperbolic with Whatsapp being vital for life, but do you honestly not know how humans got their fill of social interaction 12 years ago? And no, the answer isn't Facebook.

My wife pulled out dusty old binder of my sports cards. Readin thru those things was a trip. On one page with bball cards I had 90s Shaq w/ orlando, very early AI, kukoc, and pippen. Those cards (and sportscenter) were how you got stats and knew shit about sports. Now you have every possible statistic at your fingertips. In my day (90s) us kids had to memorize stats on the back of baseball cards!

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by odux »

sicromoft wrote: post #148

Watch out for misinformation on all sides. This film tries to use bicycles to make a point and gets it completely wrong. See https://twitter.com/peteyreplies/status/1306186884683567104 .

Thanks for this. I was watching it yesterday and thought 'there is no way everyone was ok with bicycles' when he said that. It is not human nature. I also think a healthy dose of skepticism is good as long as we fall back to scientific data.

Re: The Social Dilemma

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Post by 01100011 »

Kiro wrote: post #26
_mkef wrote: post #20

Great movie that I agree with 1000% . I suggest Lost Connections and 10 Arguments for deleting your social media ( mentioned in the movie) as well. I stopped using all social media as of last year and the results have been amazing. I'm more at peace , I no longer getting into stupid Facebook arguments. Online you aren't interacting with whole people, so being absurdly mean is easy. Most people online are just their f…

> I stopped using all social media as of last year You're posting this comment on social media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media > I'm more at peace , I no longer getting into stupid Facebook arguments. Online you aren't interacting with whole people, so being absurdly mean is easy. What makes HN different?

I don't think people here appreciate you pointing out their hypocrisy. HN is different in many ways(not tailoring content based on profiles, not trying to maximize engagement, etc), but it still has many problems (groupthink, suppression of contrarian ideas, karma whoring, inconsistent fact checking, etc).
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