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Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Post by supernova87a »

politician wrote: post #157
supernova87a wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is your legitimately held view (and I agree to some extent with the core idea), at least let's not be naive about it. Don't think that this was a well-reasoned decision with careful justification about the causes, potential, solutions, and impacts on US economics and society. It was a guy asking "what can we do to create some leverage over this adversary I don't like? (and was just told about yesterday)" Don'…

The powers delegated to the Executive don’t generally require a good explanation. “Principles” are handled at the ballot box.

If that's what you think, you should really learn more about government. I don't think you have a clue.

Many, many powers falling under executive branch (and agencies') regulatory authority, which Congress does not go into N-th level detail about how to implement, have to go through significant public and internal review, and have good explanation.

If you're unfamiliar with this, you should read:

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41546.pdf

https://www.federalregister.gov/uploads/2011/01/the_rulemaki...

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Post by lowiqengineer »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #71

Free speech concerns is kind of funny. Wechat is used by China to punish dissenters when they aren’t even in the country.

Indeed! Perhaps instead of deplatforming them like college social justice warriors would we should instead put forward our own, superior, conception of what free expression means?

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Post by ckl1810 »

wombatmobile wrote: post #16

When trying to understand China's commercial policies which America is supposedly retaliating against, consider that China has experienced a different mercantile history to America. America has never been invaded by foreign gunships and forced to allow foreign merchants to import opium to addict its citizens in order to fix their own countries balance of payments problems. Opium Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opi…

Non sequitur from Bloomberg article. China bans Google, Facebook, Twitter. At least U.S. has due process.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Post by lowiqengineer »

booleandilemma wrote: post #37
threatofrain wrote: post #5

IMO the forced sale of TikTok is very worrying for American production in China; in any future escalation China will likely use that same move as a card to play.

Are you aware of the services China is already blocking? Here’s a list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_...

Why does it matter what services China blocks? Are you saying we should take cues from the great firewall?

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Post by matthewmcg »

aphextron wrote: post #42

From the beginning of this I never understood how there could be any legal basis whatsoever for the ban. Apparently that's because there was none.

That's correct. The law that the executive order cites targets financial transactions and specifically exempts information services.

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Post by Orou »

kolanos wrote: post #48
wombatmobile wrote: post #16

When trying to understand China's commercial policies which America is supposedly retaliating against, consider that China has experienced a different mercantile history to America. America has never been invaded by foreign gunships and forced to allow foreign merchants to import opium to addict its citizens in order to fix their own countries balance of payments problems. Opium Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opi…

Americans don't need to try to understand the effects of mercantilism. They were subject to the same draconian economic policies by the British Empire. This is largely what prompted the American Revolution. [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Colonies#Economic_pol...

> This is largely what prompted the American Revolution

The American Revolution was much more about representation and the rights that British Parliament held (or, from the American perspective, didn't hold) over the colonies. The primary effect of mercantilism is exclusive trading agreements with the ruling empire, which was not being argued against by the colonials. It even says as much in the paragraph you linked:

"However, the colonists took pains to argue that they did not oppose British regulation of their external trade; they only opposed legislation which affected them internally."

It's not an equal comparison to China and the Opium Wars.

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Post by pnw_hazor »

ipsocannibal wrote: post #138
spacephysics wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same can be said about the victim hood mentality regarding native Americans and slavery here in the states.

The difference is that China has been able to redress the power embalance. The decendents of slaves and indigenous Americans have not.

China is as bad as it ever was. The people of China have not had any redress. The CCP is doing fine though.

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Post by controversy »

ipsocannibal wrote: post #138
spacephysics wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same can be said about the victim hood mentality regarding native Americans and slavery here in the states.

The difference is that China has been able to redress the power embalance. The decendents of slaves and indigenous Americans have not.

Please. At this point, both blacks and Indians are able to take various Federal and State monies to be the best they can be. The Indians have relative sovereignty. They could take their federal and casino monies and plow them into an R&D bonanza. Blacks in the US have a golden ticket to pretty much any institution they wish to attend. Both have had trillions of US dollars plowed into their communities over the year via various government spending.

At this point they have redress. They have agency. They even have adulthood, much to the chagrin of the Democratic party. Blacks and Indians should be like a wiser Arab nation. They have a pool of funds. Use it to make a better world for their people. Stop keeping people on the plantation/reservation.

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Post by Animats »

That's a correct decision. No way does the Executive Branch have the authority to ban speech without a court order.

Like a lot of what this administration does in foreign trade restrictions, this was more of a bargaining threat than an actual action. This is really about control of TikTok by a foreign government, which is an actual foreign trade issue.

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Post by pnw_hazor »

wombatmobile wrote: post #168
srtjstjsj wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating but doesn't seem relevant to the topic at hand. The China of that history has been displaced by an undemocratic revolutionary regime that conquered the Chinese people.

Are you sure you have your timeline straight, srtjstsj? When were the Chinese people "conquered"? Tsinghua University is a world leader in AI and software technology. Chinese engineers and entrepreneurs are competing in world markets with innovative products and services, not gunships. 100 million American users of TikTok appreciate this. Have you considered the possibility that China is not trying to take over the w…

The CCP conquered the Chinese people.
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