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Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Free speech rights protect you from the government not private companies.

The Supreme Court if the United States disagrees with you. Free Speech rights are projected in public forums operated by private entities. Shopping malls are a classic example.

Not so.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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I think it's easy to say the ban doesn't make sense when it is perhaps a preventative measure. We have seen social networks take over others many times in terms of popularity. If TikTok and WeChat's usage becomes more widespread in the voting population of the US, they would have a lot of influence by controlling what kind of content its users sees; e.g., FB has been criticized many times for this, namely performing…

"The difference between TikTok and WeChat and FB/Google/Twitter is obvious: the former are to some degree controlled by China and the latter are private entities." I think that difference is not that wide as people believe. Throwing money into advertising on any platform will get you close or beyond ideological subversion or active measures. All you have to do is look at the radicalization and the polarization of lef…

I agree, these are problems. But at least in the US we can continue to pass legislation as we learn more about how to properly regulate these platforms

It is much easier to enforce laws on a US-based company than a foreign one.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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IMO the forced sale of TikTok is very worrying for American production in China; in any future escalation China will likely use that same move as a card to play.

Haven’t they been doing that already? At least requiring companies to use data centers in country so they can siphon/spy on the data? Is that any less nefarious than a forced sale in order to operate in the country? I’d argue at least it’s more explicit (to sell).

The fact that China is doing it does not mean it is the right thing to do.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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China healthcare funding seems pretty similar to US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_China

It’s a bit different from the states, rather than big deductibles and no caps, you have small deductibles and lowish caps. So if you break a leg, things are very affordable, but you are quickly on your own if you get cancer.

Of course there are differences, but I think the main takeway is that the variation within each country (and over time -- ACA is new and not necessarily going to stay stable long term) is larger than the difference between the countries. ACA hasn't ended medical bankruptcy.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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How long is China going to put on the mantle of victimhood over events 160 years in the past?! By that standard surely Korea can complain endlessly about China and Yuan Shikai lording it over their kingdom in the 1880s, and the Czechs can cry over their subjugation for centuries by Austria-Hungary, etc. etc. In 1949 Mao Zedong famously declared "China has stood up." Apparently though he meant, "We're such a weak peop…

Same can be said about the victim hood mentality regarding native Americans and slavery here in the states.

Except the native americans never got their lands & resources back, & similarly blacks have never been given a chance at their own self rule.

These other national examples are nation vs nation, where an outside oppressor came & then went. Missing from your anti-empathy sentiments is recognition that these peoples never were given their own sovereignty & resources to rebuild themselves. The most injurious piece may have ended but they remain bound up in the impacts all the the same.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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I think it's easy to say the ban doesn't make sense when it is perhaps a preventative measure. We have seen social networks take over others many times in terms of popularity. If TikTok and WeChat's usage becomes more widespread in the voting population of the US, they would have a lot of influence by controlling what kind of content its users sees; e.g., FB has been criticized many times for this, namely performing…

>The difference between TikTok and WeChat and FB/Google/Twitter is obvious: the former are to some degree controlled by China and the latter are private entities. How is for example Facebook better because it isn't somehow tied in to the US government? On the one hand the state still have access to all the data from Facebook it wants (NSA, warrants) but on the other they have a hard time protecting its users privacy…

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Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a bit different from the states, rather than big deductibles and no caps, you have small deductibles and lowish caps. So if you break a leg, things are very affordable, but you are quickly on your own if you get cancer.

Of course there are differences, but I think the main takeway is that the variation within each country (and over time -- ACA is new and not necessarily going to stay stable long term) is larger than the difference between the countries. ACA hasn't ended medical bankruptcy.

In China there is no such thing as medical bankruptcy, because they make you pay up before treatment, they don’t send you a bill. It’s just one of those things that distinguish between developed world and developing world healthcare.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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I think it's easy to say the ban doesn't make sense when it is perhaps a preventative measure. We have seen social networks take over others many times in terms of popularity. If TikTok and WeChat's usage becomes more widespread in the voting population of the US, they would have a lot of influence by controlling what kind of content its users sees; e.g., FB has been criticized many times for this, namely performing…

Maybe the U.S. should fund its own social network?

In the 1960s it created a government-funded television network to offer alternative programming. But television is an old medium, and less of a source of information today -- partly because it's been supplanted by social media.

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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I think it's easy to say the ban doesn't make sense when it is perhaps a preventative measure. We have seen social networks take over others many times in terms of popularity. If TikTok and WeChat's usage becomes more widespread in the voting population of the US, they would have a lot of influence by controlling what kind of content its users sees; e.g., FB has been criticized many times for this, namely performing…

Maybe the U.S. should fund its own social network? In the 1960s it created a government-funded television network to offer alternative programming. But television is an old medium, and less of a source of information today -- partly because it's been supplanted by social media.

This has been one of my favorite thought experiments in a while.

It seems like there's inevitably going to be a need for some kind of content moderation -- but maybe that could be handled by local librarians, local newspapers. (At least that's a solution that actually scales.)

Re: Trump’s WeChat curbs halted by judge on free speech concerns

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All sovereign nations reserve the right to regulate foreign goods, vessels, diplomats, currency, and peoples distinctly from their native counterparts. Apps are truly no different.

In principle, but it doesn't mean such practices can be acted out unchecked in US.

Right now, all things happened according to the slated procedures, including the challenge in court.

Trump and his supporters shouldn't expect otherwise, if they truly believe in rule of law.

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