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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by yboris »

cnst wrote: post #192

I've always been conscious of fingerprints potentially showing up in the photos. Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't after you. The same thing goes about keys -- it's amazing how people willingly share photos of their keys (with full signature and all) in full view.

As far as I can tell (from other comments I came across in the past), lock-picking is such an easy thing, that going through the effort of creating a key from a photo is just a technical exercise, not a needed strategy.

But I think you are likely talking about different keys than the ones that open physical doors ;)

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #135
tchaffee wrote: post #130

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Well yes there are. We have seen that with both alcohol and sugar. And with alcohol we have seen how horribly wrong it goes when you try to treat a medical problem - addiction - by using the legal system. It doesn't work.

Your comment implies that most people drink alcohol because of addiction, which isn't the case. Most people drink it for novelty or entertainment. Addiction isn't the only reason people take drugs, so only addressing or dissuading addiction wouldn't fix the social problems that arise from ubiquitous drug use.

Most people also use drugs (safely) for novelty or entertainment. And what's wrong with that?

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

johnwheeler wrote: post #68
bunfunton wrote: post #56

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Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. It’s a benefit for me and many others. Meth is the only thing that treats my adhd without horrible side effects, it’s the smoothest calmest most effective solution. 10mg / day orally. I can’t afford the outragous out of pocket price for desoxyn per month. Moreover, after initially being prescribed it and having great results, after moving I can’t find any psychia…

This is ridiculous. The poster clearly meant recreational abuse of meth. Your anecdotal experience with ADHD medicine does not warrant advocation of meth across the board for your sake. The difficulty you’re having is a direct consequence of how toxic and life destroying meth is.

Something like <10% of people who try meth get addicted. Perhaps we should ban donuts next :)

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by luckylion »

umvi wrote: post #149
tchaffee wrote: post #41

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Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. Yes it costs money to treat a medical problem. It costs way more money to treat medical problems as something else. Let's go with the most effective solution even if "free…

> Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Those things can be mutually exclusive though. For example, you could make it so meth/heroin isn't readily available at the local pharmacy/gas station, yet also make it freely available under doctor supervision at rehab centers. I think many people (myself included) are apprehensive about making…

> because many law abiding citizens who otherwise would have never touched the drug may whimsically decide to try it

They likely wouldn't. Most drugs aren't socially accepted, the gas station wouldn't stock them (and that's usually not what people ask for when they talk about legalization).

Consider LSD. It's illegal, heavily so. But there's 1P-LSD, it's a "research chemical" and very similar to LSD. It has been legal for a few years (and still is in many countries) and has only been made a controlled substance in parts of Europe last year.

If illegality was what kept people away from drugs, you'd expect to have seen a lot of normal people tripping in the last year. But you haven't (okay, maybe you have, it would explain a lot of things, wouldn't it?), and it was really only used as an easily obtainable and legal alternative to LSD by people who want an LSD-like drug because they know LSD.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

tchaffee wrote: post #187
jokethrowaway wrote: post #93

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My doctor wanted to prescribe me benzodiazepines for depression / insomnia / brain shakes but, after seeing what withdrawal from legal benzodiazepines looks like, I refused. Illegal weed keeps me sane and let me sleep, but go and explain that to lawmakers...

Good choice. Benzodiazepines screw with brain chemistry like no other drug I've seen people use medically or recreationally. As one friend put it about his Xanax: "I'm not sure where the anxiety goes when I take Xanax, but I think it goes to the gym considering how strong it is when it comes back". My guess is that 20 or 50 years from now we are going to look back on the widespread prescription of benzos as a really…

Just as a counterpoint I can handle benzos fine. Some slight rebound anxiety if I use multiple days in a row.

Weed on the other hand will send me one a 1 month train to hell smoking every day falling deeper and deeper into a depressive haze and there's nothing I can do about it.

Everybody is different, I guess.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

1_person wrote: post #189
aristophenes wrote: post #16

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I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

> (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference) This is an unbelievably privileged position to take. Are you not aware that the country itself was established in the finest tradition of civil disobedience? The declaration of independence was an act of civil disobedience. The end of colonial…

You always hear calls for "civil disobedience" or "non-violence" when it concerns systems that the speaker may not want outright support, but is highly sympathetic to. You never hear anyone say that US should have pursued a path of non-violence during the Cold War, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, or during the War On Terror. In those instances, violence is assuredly the order of the day. But when the villain is the West, civil disobedience is the max discomfort they can stomach.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

tchaffee wrote: post #182
bunfunton wrote: post #42

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Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

Thank you for giving a counter example of how useful some of these drugs can be. > I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Please reconsider this position. It is outdated and goes against all recent evidence about the science of addiction, and the chemical changes that occur in the brain to cause addiction. Addiction is a medical condition. It has as little to do with self contro…

Yes that is fair. I think the stats are something like <10% of people that use meth are addicted.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

a2h wrote: post #71
jonquest wrote: post #60

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I challenge to do a google image search for faces of meth and come back and say that again with a straight face. That stuff is a poison that destroys both mind and body. If you think self control is enough to keep that stuff from rotting your face, making your hair fall out and keep yourself from going crazy you are foolish. Comparing it to ADHD medications is plain and simple stupid. If you think meth is the drug yo…

Perhaps they are talking about Desoxyn. FDA approved for treatment of ADHD. Not saying that it isn't bad but just pointing out there is a comparison to ADHD medications.

I was, but can switch out with crystal if needed. Almost as pure.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

sneak wrote: post #115
aristophenes wrote: post #16

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I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

> But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Indeed, and if you feel this way, perhaps you should seek penalties against those who actually wrought the destruction: the people who put that methamphetamine into human bodies, where it does the harm. I think you'll find that those people who hold the ultimate responsibility for this destructive act were destroying property that en…

This is really an excellent argument. Thank you, am using this.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by umvi »

luckylion wrote: post #204
umvi wrote: post #149

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> Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Those things can be mutually exclusive though. For example, you could make it so meth/heroin isn't readily available at the local pharmacy/gas station, yet also make it freely available under doctor supervision at rehab centers. I think many people (myself included) are apprehensive about making…

> because many law abiding citizens who otherwise would have never touched the drug may whimsically decide to try it They likely wouldn't. Most drugs aren't socially accepted, the gas station wouldn't stock them (and that's usually not what people ask for when they talk about legalization). Consider LSD. It's illegal, heavily so. But there's 1P-LSD, it's a "research chemical" and very similar to LSD. It has been lega…

> They likely wouldn't. Most drugs aren't socially accepted, the gas station wouldn't stock them

I don't know, I'm still not convinced. I think legalization is an important step on the path to social acceptance.

Examples: Marijuana, abortion, gay marriage

These things used to be socially unacceptable and illegal, but they are now socially acceptable and legal

Some drugs might not be socially acceptable right now, but I would argue legalizing them would help them become more socially acceptable. I admit that legalization may only be partially causal though (i.e. social acceptance was mounting before legalization). And convenience stores would certainly stock drugs if there was demand and they were allowed to.

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