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All the jobs I failed to get

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Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by ido »

charlesu wrote: post #116
ido wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say it was the only criteria, just that it is one.

My point is that these criteria are largely meaningless. It all depends on what you're working on. In some jobs, you'll occasionally need to write a recursive function. In others, it's probably a benefit if you can't.

I never personally used it in an interview (that's generally not how I do interviewing) but for someone experienced having not heard of recursion (and it's not such a complicated subject, you wouldn't need much "experience using recursion" to be able to understand it) would mean they haven't really dug into the art & craft of programming.

Just like I'd expect a moderately senior developer to be able to program in procedural, object oriented & functional styles even if they strongly prefer one to the others (and how would they know if they haven't tried all of them?).

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by kamaal »

soneca wrote: post #77

My list of recent jobs I failed to get is about 200 unglamorous mid-level roles in small unknown companies that I applied through the last 2 months. 90% of them I was rejected on the resume filter. About 5 rejections after an intro interview. About more 5 or more rejections after a technical interview/coding challenge. Only 2 places on a final interview with chances of offers as of now (luckily in companies that I be…

When I started out I worked at a call center(A tech support center). When I interviewed there, I went in through a hiring consultant. I met a girl there who had failed in interviews in like some 40 companies and then finally got hired in our batch. From what I know she went on to do some amazing things. This always brings me some perspective on the merits or acceptance or rejection in any process.

Getting rejected any number times means nothing at all. People interviewing candidates are no better than the candidate, and in many cases not even as good as the candidate. Even if they were better it wouldn't matter, 1 hour is barely any time to judge any one and any decision you are likely to make even a 'yes' decision will never be 100% right. Even a hire decision doesn't mean you are awesome.

Plus a person measuring their worth based on job interviews is totally wrong. We like to think that people wish to hire people at least as good as them, if not better. In reality no one likes people better than them, and they'd rather not have some one better than them at work. They will be hiring competition responsible for them not getting raises, bonuses, promotions or RSU's. You are more likely to get rejected being good than bad.

If I've learned anything at all its the Clinton principle How many chances does one get? As much as one is willing to take

Pretty much any rejection any where means nothing. I'm not saying one must not take them seriously enough to improve oneself. But there is not need to get depressed or under evaluating yourself.

Just be chipping away at a good system of improving yourself in never ending cycles.

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

nullsense wrote: post #156
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard for Aussies or Kiwis to get a work visa in the US. Easiest path is probably to work for a US company locally and then do an intra-company transfer. I know a few who did that, worked 3 years and went back with a healthy savings.

H1B is tied to the employer though right? And it's a lottery system, so no guarantee? The one time I went to the US I nearly had a panic attack, so I can't really imagine living there or dragging my family there, but then you look at the money and it sure looks worth dragging yourself through hell for.

I was talking about intra-company transfers, which are different from H1B. E.g., you get a job at Google and Google wants to transfer you to the US. That's a different visa, it's much less competitive and there's no lottery.

> The one time I went to the US I nearly had a panic attack

I guess if you have psychological issues that make travel difficult or feel like "dragging yourself through hell", as you put it, then maybe just stay at home.

Another option is to work remote. You'll get paid less for being in an Asian time-zone, but you might still earn more than a local company would pay you.

A third option, which is the one I'm currently pursuing (from east Asia), is taking your skills directly to the market as an entrepreneur.

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by jpmoral »

kamaal wrote: post #162
soneca wrote: post #77

My list of recent jobs I failed to get is about 200 unglamorous mid-level roles in small unknown companies that I applied through the last 2 months. 90% of them I was rejected on the resume filter. About 5 rejections after an intro interview. About more 5 or more rejections after a technical interview/coding challenge. Only 2 places on a final interview with chances of offers as of now (luckily in companies that I be…

When I started out I worked at a call center(A tech support center). When I interviewed there, I went in through a hiring consultant. I met a girl there who had failed in interviews in like some 40 companies and then finally got hired in our batch. From what I know she went on to do some amazing things. This always brings me some perspective on the merits or acceptance or rejection in any process. Getting rejected an…

>Getting rejected any number times means nothing at all. People interviewing candidates are no better than the candidate, and in many cases not even as good as the candidate. Even if they were better it wouldn't matter, 1 hour is barely any time to judge any one and any decision you are likely to make even a 'yes' decision will never be 100% right. Even a hire decision doesn't mean you are awesome.

>Plus a person measuring their worth based on job interviews is totally wrong. We like to think that people wish to hire people at least as good as them, if not better. In reality no one likes people better than them, and they'd rather not have some one better than them at work. They will be hiring competition responsible for them not getting raises, bonuses, promotions or RSU's. You are more likely to get rejected being good than bad.

I am sure this happens, but it hasn't matched my general experience. I've been on both sides of the interviewing process, and have met people with better skills on the other side.

I also haven't worked any place so dysfunctional that skilled candidates' applications were torpedoed because they were potential competition.

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by fafk »

colmvp wrote: post #17
z33k wrote: post #6

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I failed my real analysis II exam, I failed to make progress at the gym, I failed a quiz on agile software development, I guess you could even say I failed to go on a date since I got stood up.

Well if it makes you feel any better, I've been using a dating app daily for the past two months and the last time someone actually matched and messaged me was early August lol

Readjust your profile. Different photos, different "copy". This is marketing, think about it as such.

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by [deleted] »

rikroots wrote: post #141
gnfargbl wrote: post #21

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Deputy Director jobs in the UK Civil Service aren’t actually that senior. They tend to pay around £75k, or $100k US, which is a pretty decent wage for the general population but not quite at levels.fyi rates.

1. Deputy Director posts are the bottom rung in the Senior Civil Service. Any SCS post is, by definition, senior. The SCS accounts for 1% of the entire Civil Service head count[1]. 2. Why mention the pay rate? Civil Service jobs have never been well paid - especially in comparison to private sector equivalent job roles. People go into these jobs for a lot of reasons beyond remuneration - behind-the-scenes power, for…

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Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by gnfargbl »

PunchTornado wrote: post #131
simsla wrote: post #93

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Point still stands. UK software engineer median wages are above UK national median wages.

not by much. software salaries in the uk are not that great. 75k is top top bracket for uk.

As a UK based developer myself, all I can say is that remote work for US companies is possible and can be a massive win/win for both parties. You can be an absolute bargain from a US perspective, yet still be earning well above the domestic rate. Works best when the US employer is ET; the time difference between the West Coast and the UK is hard to bridge effectively.

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by kra34 »

abhayb wrote: post #159
kra34 wrote: post #158

A serious and urgent question, when did "data" a collective noun warrant a plural verb ex. "the data are ambiguous" "Data" was not treated this way in the past and now it is everywhere. Where did it come from and why did it change?

Data has always been plural! Datum is the singular. But actually treating it as plural is mostly a question of where the person speaking/writing is based. Americans treat it as singular, Brits plural. See also, corporations

From a random internet site: " The data are correct.

But most people treat 'data' as a singular noun, especially when talking about computers etc.

For example:-

The data is being transferred from my computer to yours.

And I have to be honest, I've never heard anyone ask for a datum. "

It could be the case that the scientific pluralization is leaking into regular usage because more people are collectively reading / reporting on scientific studies. Alternatively, Google / Grammarly and similar tools might be suggesting it because it's been seen in their training data / examples.

In any case, IMHO 'datum' is a singular point of information, any reference to multiple points of information would make the noun plural.

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by dominotw »

literallycancer wrote: post #132
dominotw wrote: post #109

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ok how does this address my example above about the most popular "inhumane" tech hiring complaint on HN. What are you going to do about that other than give up?

As a candidate? Tell them you don't do puzzles before talking to humans and to advance you to the next screen? It's not like those rules can't be broken or changed, they aren't laws of physics.

No. Not as a candidate. GP is referring to recruiting.

> This does not reflect tech recruiting. we shouldn’t give up because its hard.

Re: All the jobs I failed to get

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Post by dominotw »

goatinaboat wrote: post #126
dominotw wrote: post #47

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> I took great pride in informing her that a) I made more than their proposed offer and b) I’d never work for a company who couldn’t operate with basic human decency in their recruiting process. I used to work in tech recruiting. I guarantee you 100%, no one cares. As a candidate your only option is to move on or write a bad glassdoor if you are so inclined and move on.

As a candidate your only option is to move on or write a bad glassdoor if you are so inclined and move on. Not in the EU. You can file a GDPR SAR for any electronic records created during the process, which will probably include the interviewer’s notes.

Wow I had no idea. This would be a game changer for the whole industry here.
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