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Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee »

dTal wrote: post #19
plutonorm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What people put into their bodies is their own business.

No. We live in a society. If I'm expected to help pick up the pieces when you self-destruct, it's absolutely my business.

Then so is your diet and exercise regime my business. I also want to control who you spend time with (for your mental health) and what you consume for entertainment - there will be limits on what you can read and watch and how much. Alcohol is of course no longer ever an option, and many injury prone sports are also forbidden. At any point we predict you might commit a crime, we will jail you first to reduce the cost to society.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by pmachinery »

blunte wrote: post #14
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

There is considerable information back from the 80s to suggest that the US war on drugs was actually a system to enable racial discrimination. Then some years later, the ear on drugs became associated with the growth of the private prison industry and it's lobbyists. Indeed I provide no references here because it is quite an involved topic and difficult to prove given the publicly available information.

The motivation for fictitious wars against bogeymen is to empower and bankroll law enforcement while diminishing the civil rights of citizens.

Like the war on terror, the decades long war on drugs has been a roaring success.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by dTal »

derbOac wrote: post #31
dTal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. We live in a society. If I'm expected to help pick up the pieces when you self-destruct, it's absolutely my business.

Except that criminalization doesn't help anyone pick up the pieces, at least as criminalization goes in the us today. There's also lots of ways to self destruct that aren't criminalized.

You are arguing against a position I did not take. My sole point is that hyper-permissive individualistic libertarianism is inappropriate in a cohesive society. Your health, your success, even your happiness; all affect me. We all depend on each other. As such, it's simply not correct to say "it's my business what I put in my body".

"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as any manner of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by gilrain »

johnwheeler wrote: post #12
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

He also had a prior felony, sold meth, sold Xanax, and had an Uzi. Not someone you’d want to date your daughter.

...or your son.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by booleandilemma »

I wish more resources were spent on law enforcement at the local level, fighting real crime. They could have more police patrolling the streets and subways, deterring assaults[0] and daylight shootings[1].

Does anyone really care that this drug dealer is locked up? Is anyone safer now? Do I have to worry any less about getting mugged on the subway at night?

Of course people are calling to defund the police, and if that happens I’ll have to be more worried.

[0]: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-homeless-m...

[1]: https://nypost.com/2020/09/08/three-injured-in-broad-dayligh...

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

HoveringOrb wrote: post #18
plutonorm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What people put into their bodies is their own business.

I want to agree with this, but I've seen firsthand how meth heads bring down everyone around them.

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. It’s a benefit for me and many others. Meth is the only thing that treats my adhd without horrible side effects, it’s the smoothest calmest most effective solution. 10mg / day orally. I can’t afford the outragous out of pocket price for desoxyn per month. Moreover, after initially being prescribed it and having great results, after moving I can’t find any psychiatrist willing to prescribe it because they are all terrified of the DEA. Thus I and many other stigmatized people directly benefit from cheap pure meth on the street. Thanks for reading about one casualty of the drug war (me). Go look up reviews for desoxyn if you’re curious. Yes it’s the same thing.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #40
sneak wrote: post #9

The amount of resources that the US federal government will use to pursue ridiculously long sentences (that frequently involve torture[1]) against people who did not victimize a single person is absolutely insane to me. The prohibition on the possession and sale of drugs must come to an end, and weapons charges should never, ever be brought against anyone who didn't use weapons to commit a crime or otherwise perpetra…

I personally want drug-dealing gun-wielding ex-felons to be put in prison. Plus he only got 5 years, which isn't a long sentence in the US.

I personally don’t want somebody supplying goods to customers who want them, coming together in a consensual transaction jailed. Where one person then decides to alter their own brain chemistry with their own consent. 5 years not long? Ok.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by serpix »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #40
sneak wrote: post #9

The amount of resources that the US federal government will use to pursue ridiculously long sentences (that frequently involve torture[1]) against people who did not victimize a single person is absolutely insane to me. The prohibition on the possession and sale of drugs must come to an end, and weapons charges should never, ever be brought against anyone who didn't use weapons to commit a crime or otherwise perpetra…

I personally want drug-dealing gun-wielding ex-felons to be put in prison. Plus he only got 5 years, which isn't a long sentence in the US.

In Finland manslaughter is maximum 6 years in prison. This guy sold plants.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by vips7L »

johnwheeler wrote: post #30
henearkr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with an abstract notion of morality. In our society, we look out for each other, if somebody is in distress, e.g. hurt on the side of the road, we help him, call an ambulance, he gets medical help. The fact that society makes huge efforts to save and cure people requiring medical attention, is at the root of the taboo on substances (or behaviors) that are unhealthy. Otherwise that would be a pu…

Yes, this is correct. I also don’t want my children to take drugs, and when you make things widely available, people use them more. You don’t have to look further than the opioid crisis to see that.

Disregarding the fact that opioids are still illegal without a prescription (much like meth, and marijuana) there's plenty of articles that show that legalizing marijuana has lowered opioid use in those states.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by jonquest »

bunfunton wrote: post #42
aristophenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

I challenge to do a google image search for faces of meth and come back and say that again with a straight face. That stuff is a poison that destroys both mind and body. If you think self control is enough to keep that stuff from rotting your face, making your hair fall out and keep yourself from going crazy you are foolish. Comparing it to ADHD medications is plain and simple stupid. If you think meth is the drug you need to focus you already need professional help because there are lots of stimulants out there, even illegal, that have nowhere near the side effects and consequences of meth.
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