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Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

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Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#21

One way to record calls is to setup a voip number that you can call and put them on three way conference. Voip.ms makes this easy, I've also done it with Twilio. I also live in a 1 party consent state.

Could you not just flip on your devices screen recorder?

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#22
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an Android phone? Call recording is one of the few features that I miss on iPhone.

Newer Android versions have limited access to call audio similar to iPhone.

Oh. Does anyone know why they did this?

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#23
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just use an Android call recording app. I enable it before I call customer support lines, and leave it off otherwise.

Which app, and what Android version? Do you use a rooted device? The current Android version disabled access to call audio and broke all apps. Have they re-enabled them since?

I'm having huge problems with this right now. I was using an automatic call recorder, but my phone camera broke, and my carrier was limiting features due to the age of the phone. I broke down and upgraded. Big mistake! Call recording was utterly broken and will not work on that phone. Bought a different phone the next day... also broken. Can't seem to root either one. I'm out about $400 on this whole ordeal, and still can't record my calls again. I'm about to send Google the bill for these phones and the 12+ hours of my time that's been wasted because apparently Google has made call recording impossible on android 9 and 10.

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#24
post #9

How do they know if they are being recorded?

They don't. But you'll have trouble to admit possession of a recorded call unless you're sure you legally obtained it. So unless you merely use it for your private training purposes its of limited value.

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#25
post #16

What follows works 99% of the times with airbnb: Customer service representative: "For training purposes this call is being recorded. Are you okay with it?" Airbnb member: "Well, you know if you feel comfortable that we record this call for quality purposes, I'm totally fine with it, no worries." CSR:"Haha, sure I am. I just have to ask, you know." AM: "Sure, me too, it's important to me that you're comfortable with…

I always wondered, given how disingenuous they are by saying "training purposes", doesn't that weight in in any way during a legal process?

You'd still have yourself to blame if you naively believe everyone, but is it legal to present evidence obtained in bad faith? Can you blatantly lie and say the recording is automatically deleted after a minute, and still present it in a court of law?

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#26

Every time someone tells me they are recording my call for {quality, customer care, whatever} purposes, I tell them I'm also recording the call and pause to start recording the call. I get hung up on a lot.

What do you gain from doing this?

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#27
post #4

Are you in a two-party consent state [0]? If not, you can legally record the conversation without informing them. I record all phone interactions with corporations by default. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_call_recording_laws#...

Make sure to ask the agent where they are sitting.

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#28
post #16

What follows works 99% of the times with airbnb: Customer service representative: "For training purposes this call is being recorded. Are you okay with it?" Airbnb member: "Well, you know if you feel comfortable that we record this call for quality purposes, I'm totally fine with it, no worries." CSR:"Haha, sure I am. I just have to ask, you know." AM: "Sure, me too, it's important to me that you're comfortable with…

I always wondered, given how disingenuous they are by saying "training purposes", doesn't that weight in in any way during a legal process? You'd still have yourself to blame if you naively believe everyone, but is it legal to present evidence obtained in bad faith? Can you blatantly lie and say the recording is automatically deleted after a minute, and still present it in a court of law?

It’s not reasonable to list every possible use. Any call center routinely uses call data to train and evaluate agents.

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#29
i never talk when someone records me. there is never a positive outcome of such call. if they want some kind of proof, they can send me an email. when they record you you often agree to things you would normally not or changed your mind later on, since you have no time to think about it. they know what they are doing. so never, ever, be part of such calls. use email, think before replying and you're good.

Re: Airbnb REQUIRES recording you call but if you want to record they REFUSE call

#30
post #12

Every time someone tells me they are recording my call for {quality, customer care, whatever} purposes, I tell them I'm also recording the call and pause to start recording the call. I get hung up on a lot.

Often it is a robot that says that, do the robots hang up or do you wait for a human?

No I let the robot says it's spiel, then, after the human connects, I inform the human I am also recording the call.
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