I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up in arms about. Just a quick look through the recommended podcasts in the web player, and I see Ben Shapiro's podcast on there, who has much more extreme views on LGBT rights than Joe Rogan does.
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If sensible people are immune to racial and ethnic hatred, then why have we seen it all over the place throughout history. People should have seen right through Blood Libel and not massacred all those innocent jewish people, right? Of course not. Media and narratives matter. Fascism has succeeded in the past at murdering millions of people. There is no fundamental reason why it couldn't happen again.
>>>Media and narratives matter. Fascism has succeeded in the past at murdering millions of people. There is no fundamental reason why it couldn't happen again. Always interesting that stifling the fascists and Nazis is so popular* but no one ever mentions the ongoing need to silence the communists, who are in the same "ideology with a 7-figure body count" category. Why is that? *Also in thread: https://news.ycombinat…
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Except Rogan’s podcast is full length and unedited, which is exactly why he chose the format.
They do cut things out at times. Which is also why they don't love stream it anymore. They needed to be able to cut out certain things. Though I don't know what their criteria is.
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I'm not claiming the past was perfect. Some changes are absolutely positive. Here's my anecdote. I look back at films from the 80s and 90s where free speech was discussed or otherwise a component of the plot. It was unthinkable to censor thoughts, or allow the government to spy and collect data on the citizens. Both of these notions seem to have disappeared.
I wish you were joking, but I know you’re not, because Americans have been censored and lied to their whole lives. In fact, the Cold War had already came and went at that point. “Free speech” has always been an American myth.
> "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers".
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Can't see Rogan agreeing to any type of content moderation. It baffles me when people think it's acceptable to throw freedom of speech out the window just because someone is offended.
What does "freedom of speech" have to do with any of this? The government has not intervened with any law restricting speech. Spotify is a private company and, under current US law, can de-platform anyone they chose.
Freedom of speech and expression is the bedrock of the civilized world, an important part of modern culture and is indeed defined as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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They're not just hosting it - they bought it for $100 million
That's a good point. That effectively makes Spotify a publisher rather than a platform. I'm getting sick of companies trying to straddle the line between the two. Even if Spotify wasn't effectively publishing the Joe Rogan Experience, I do think Spotify's employees have grounds to complain. Spotify has not built themselves as an open platform for free thought - they have built themselves as a curated music streaming…
Not really. The expectation is that as a paying customer you’ll have access to the music you’re interested in. Their shtick has never been curation.
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#317This is rather funny, because all the incentives are backwards. Joe Rogan used to be available on rss, and anyone could listen in any podcast player. Now Spotify bought him out, limiting his reach and making him only available on spotify. If the employees succeed, Rogan will revert to rss and become....more widely available. I am deeply opposed to Spotify’s efforts to close off the podcast ecosystem, so I hope the em…
Also this is a licensing deal for a set period. Ownership of JRE itself doesn’t change and after the three years the contract as written is over.
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Quoting the spectator destroys any kind of argument you're trying to make. The Spectator isn't a credible source for any medical information, especially for anything about GIDS and GICS. They're an explicitly anti-trans publication, and have posted many articles railing against trans acceptance. James Kirkup spends his days posting anti-trans material on twitter. Because he's driven by his ideology of hate he makes a…
I’m not quoting the spectator I’m showcasing the changes the NHS has implemented to their guidance following the investigation into the Tavistock clinic and the studies the NHS commissioned. We don’t know anything yet mostly because we don’t actually have studies in which puberty blockers were reversed all the studies such as those in the Tavistock clinic the the Dutch Study that showed that puberty blockers are safe…
Everyone can see the link that you posted. You could have posted links to the Wayback machine, but you chose to post a link to a transphobic article in a transphobic magazine written by a transphobic writer.
Your second paragraph is incoherent. I can't understand what you're trying to say.
> We don’t know anything yet
This is wrong.
> but in all cases went into cross hormone therapy and then surgical transition
...because they're very careful about who gets those meds, and they're only given to children with severe gender dysphoria.
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#319FWIW, highest recommendation for Philosophy Tube and ContraPoints. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_Tube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints If you want to learn about something, go to the source. I'm now +50/yo (SWM) and have had out LGBTQ friends, family, schoolmates, coworkers most of my life. One of my cousins did gender reassignment 30 years ago. On one hand I can't believe we're still talking abo…
They say many words with interesting variations and perspectives - they make time for it on a weekly broadcast program for a few hundred thousand people who also talk about it.
"Stop talking about it." -Morgan Freeman (when asked on 60 Minutes about something else thought not to be discussed in polite company)
But if it should be discussed then we should make time for it. Sex (similar to opioid brain response because evolution causes us to associate reproduction with pleasure) is in the background of everyone's adult interactions by default. You introduce your friends to each other and association allows you to have a "vote" in the person that would be born in potentially 9 months from that evening of acquaintance (1-2 years realistically, since there is the expectation of courting around shared village getting to know each others social circle). Therefore "sex" was discussed just by saying "Hello Sally, meet my friend Harry."
Without saying anything about sex. Or variations on it. Or money paid for it. Or ways. Crude jokes are rude. An expletive every 10 words is rude. Podcast discussed that collapsing empires (post Nero Roman centuries) experienced similar fetish advertisement and public displays, suggestions or anything remotely topical in debates and decisions among elected officials and lawmakers.
As a group of friends, in the past, you may have discussed the amount of doe in the clearing next to your house, and by your friends knowledge of a herd with mature bucks routinely grazing near their own prairie - food could then be set out (Breadcrumb Trail) to introduce herds and increase the herd mass over a few seasons.
There is a sweet spot, and some states have different kill limits set by using tax revenue to curate&monitor local herds (that migrate across county lines), but you are essentially "pruning" a population (overfishing takes much longer to return from than if we allow the mass to hover at an ideal size to continue to farm from. See Joel Salatin diaper/teenage/nursing home grass metaphor to describe sigmoid curve growth rate of "solar collector" for optimal grazing routine[1]). Ideal to lure the dense, seasoned buck that has fathered many children using a female call away from where you know a herd could be so that the productive mass never sees the kill and can feel safe enough around the acreage to continue and remain "fenced" by comfort. They will nibble on commercial farmland perimeter and thus there are higher kill limits in states with lots of agriculture and intentional "buffer" land for herds to graze (some farm plots are set aside and meant as feed for wild venison source).
Here on HN about a year ago there was a journal suggesting a link to several decades of birth control in the sewage of cities running into natural water drainage and increasingly feminized fish populations (therefore reduced numbers).
Regardless of the sewage runoff, birth control has been available to several generations of mothers. This means decades of manually overriding natural hormone regimen to drastically reduce fertility "temporarily" (on purpose for sex without "consequence") until the Pill's effect "wears off". Some mothers had their children before trying "the Pill" - maybe there are entire generations of "pure" mothers who never used birth control. Could blood tests verify this?
If Chinese one child per family era preferred male fetus, then there are fewer fertile Chinese females now. If there are fewer potent American males (self castration to change gender), then that means there is a surplus of American females without fertile male mate.
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This was always the case, it's only that recently you feel it's been extended to your particular issues. At various times in the history of the US specifically, but analogues exist in most other places, you could have been fired or otherwise pariah'ed for: Freely discussing the conditions and rights of laborers Discussing political ideologies like communism Discussing various sects of Christian belief Discussing Non-…
Funny that you and jakelazaroff above are getting downvoted. I have observed that lot of free speech advocates generally get annoyed if someone speaks the truth.