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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by ekianjo »

tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

> disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate.

Both the democratic party and the republican party only represent a small fraction of the electorate, for your information.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/25/american-pol...

"As they go to the polls in a historic presidential election, more than six in 10 Americans say neither major political party represents their views any longer, a survey has found."

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by goldcd »

bborud wrote: post #689
roenxi wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although the justices being friends is inevitable, it is not desirable. The justices would be more representative of the people - and probably dispense better justice - if there was an uneasy compromise between them based on basic principles of precedent and law. That isn't a very fun vision of life on the bench - and any system is imperfect - so I don't really advocate that. But the idea that these people are assert…

I think you are wrong. The mutual respect that grows out of friendship makes it easier to consider the other side of an argumen more seriously. And if there is one thing that is needed now it is more common ground being sought - not less. The idea that one ought not fraternize with those who disagree with one’s opinion is unproductive and leads to unnecessary division and ultimately a weaker system. Ultimately it is…

I upvoted (hopefully to preserve the OP) but don't think "It's a bad idea"

If anybody from ycombinator is reading - it seems insane what a post can be down-voted into grey and then the void, whilst it has active commentary beneath it.

"Posts" can have a status applied to them, but the far more important thing is the "thread" where different views collide.

Pulling posts, breaks the thread.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tempestn »

bborud wrote: post #689
roenxi wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although the justices being friends is inevitable, it is not desirable. The justices would be more representative of the people - and probably dispense better justice - if there was an uneasy compromise between them based on basic principles of precedent and law. That isn't a very fun vision of life on the bench - and any system is imperfect - so I don't really advocate that. But the idea that these people are assert…

I think you are wrong. The mutual respect that grows out of friendship makes it easier to consider the other side of an argumen more seriously. And if there is one thing that is needed now it is more common ground being sought - not less. The idea that one ought not fraternize with those who disagree with one’s opinion is unproductive and leads to unnecessary division and ultimately a weaker system. Ultimately it is…

I agree that it's a shame when unpopular but reasonable and well-stated posts attract a lot of downvotes. Even if you assume that most such positions will be wrong, some won't be, and if they all get downvoted to oblivion, it encourages group-think.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mmm_grayons »

bargl wrote: post #246
Ghostt8117 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not bad to send thoughts and prayers! It is only considered hypocritical when someone offers those thoughts and prayers despite protecting/enshrining/supporting/etc. the thing which directly resulted in the tragedy. For example, strong supporters of gun rights and those who suffer from gun violence. I also extend my deepest sympathies to her family and those who she was close with. It is hard to lose someone, an…

The fact that we're so fast to assign these values to people we don't know on the internet makes me sad at times. I get it, it's just how people are. You bring up a good example, but I'd probably be in the category of believing guns are good for a democratic society (or at least so deeply entrenched that they can't get pulled out at this point). However, I also believe in some pretty strong gun controls and requireme…

> I'm not foolish enough to believe that people with guns could win a civil war in the day of modern weapons

I know HN hates opinions like this, but I'm a very staunch 2a supporter. My position is that citizens should have so-called "weapons of war", the same automatic weapons that the military carries with tons of ammunition. Joe six-pack should be able to walk to his local gun store and buy an M60 if he so pleases. In such a case, there's a very good chance that civilians could win a civil war.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by ekianjo »

mcphage wrote: post #713
godzulu wrote: post #682

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that's funny, because I feel that the DNC is the most soulless, vicious, corrupt and generally awful human beings there are.

How many people from this administration ended up in jail? And how many from the last? You can feel whatever you want, but the math isn’t in your favor.

How many people were killed by wars started in the previous administration? I'll let you ponder on that.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by goldcd »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #655
goldcd wrote: post #585

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Was so lovely after reading the article, that the point that stuck with me, aligned with your comment right at the top. Maybe there's some sort of new "non-denominational creed" we could all sign up for. ~" We may not agree but I will always listen to you. I will always consider your opinion with respect and will endeavour to understand your reasoning. My views are not set - my goal is to listen to arguments to come…

I’m probably gonna do it. I’m not sure I could do the other thing... if the world burns, at least I burn in her camp. I’m ok with that. I’m excited you might be there too!

offers a marshmallow

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by ekianjo »

altcognito wrote: post #703
tinalumfoil wrote: post #675

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> They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist The Trump Republicans are far better in terms of war crimes. Not "better in terms of war crimes" is some sort of crowning achievement, but its hard to get much lower than srone striking Americans on foreign soil. To say Trump isn't an improvement over Busch just boggles my mind.

He revoked the transparency surrounding drone strikes, so you don't know how often they happen. He pardoned war criminals found guilty by our own military courts. He is setting up companies to steal oil from Syria and has always stated that we would be fools not to take those military earned resources. The state kills unarmed people in the US everyday, I see drone strikes in war zones as as far tinier issue than all…

> He pardoned war criminals found guilty by our own military courts.

I am unaware of that, do you have any reference?

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by kamaal »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #318

Why are there life-terms on the Supreme Court? Doesn't that incentivize the justices to hold on past their prime, dying waiting for a new president or resigning in a politically motivated fashion? And don't life terms create a race to the bottom where younger justices are favored for longer remaining life? Why not 20 year limits?

In India we have a fixed retirement age. Of course extensions can be granted on an exceptional basis, But in general you serve till a fixed retirement age and retire.

It also makes sense. Cognitive ability deteriorates with age. And you don't want very old, with illness to rule on important things.

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Post by GoodJokes »

stickyricky wrote: post #37

I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

It is very easy to feel this way when you material life isn’t affected by oppressive people like Scalia. I hope you listen to someone with a uterus in the next few days.

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Post by jgwil2 »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #730
adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

Can you imagine a 4-4 Supreme Court deadlock in a Bush v Gore type situation?

Then we would defer to the ruling of the lower court.
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