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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #381

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Election results don't change what people believe and value. The current situation in the US has been a long time coming, and it will take a long time to resolve.

You’re nuts if think it hasn’t always been this way. Hell, a senator beat the shit out of another senator back in the 1850’s. In the senate.

It hasn't always been this way. It simply has been.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #517

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Huh? The Democrats have had two, 2 term presidencies since Reagan. 16 years in the last 32.

And if you look at the popularity of their platform it should've been all of them. Republican platform is buoyed by irrational pro-choice one issue voters and Russian funded NRA propaganda.

This is the most bizarre comment. If voters are voting for Republicans, that would suggest the Democratic platform isn't that popular.

That's literally what voting is.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

Do not make the mistake of thinking the politicians who represent you are particularly principled people. The left has been talking about stacking the supreme court since Kavanaugh. Democratic senators played games with the filibuster. There are plenty of other examples of weaponizing politics that I could cite (from both sides). I would like to see Senate Republicans show some fair play and wait for after the electi…

Seems highly unlikely that John Roberts would let any decision on the election be that close. He's too much of an institutionalist to not find some way to bring along most, if not all, of the Justices. Given that, it's really quite preferable that the seat go unfilled, eliminating the possibility of a 5-4 decision with Roberts writing the dissent, a situation that really would spell doom for American democracy.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #373
post #188

Remove the Publicly visible Like Count and those kind of conversations and connections are easy. The Like count makes people defensive or aggressive especially when they are called out in public leading to never ending reaction and counter reaction cycles. Without that dumb random signal interfering in conversations all kinds of strange connections are possible. I see it at work meetings between highly competitive pe…

I like how Slashdot handles it. Posts and comments do have counts, but the range is reasonably narrow, from -2 to +5. This allows for modding down noise, and modding up the signal, but this excludes the comparative phallometry typical for FB and twitter threads with hundreds and thousands on upvote counters.

The other cool thing about slashdot moderation is why it's +5, like insightful, funny, and the coveted "+5 Troll"

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

Was so lovely after reading the article, that the point that stuck with me, aligned with your comment right at the top.

Maybe there's some sort of new "non-denominational creed" we could all sign up for.

~" We may not agree but I will always listen to you. I will always consider your opinion with respect and will endeavour to understand your reasoning. My views are not set - my goal is to listen to arguments to come to an informed position, I can honestly take forward "

As I typed that, I could hear the happy-clappy sounds of some mocking-utopia ringing in my ears - but goddamnit, it doesn't sound too hard for us to each put it into action. I'm as guilty as the next person, but I'm going to try going forward.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #413

Worked right to the end even with her health challenges. What a role model.

I disagree entirely and in fact most of the rest of the world have laws against Supreme Court Justices serving well into old age like this. Her health problems were known during President Obama's term and it was nothing more than hubris on her part to continue serving. It's fairly irresponsible to work until the day you die if a sudden death can have absolutely devastating and life changing consequences for a signifi…

> It's fairly irresponsible...

It shows poor judgement.

I think it shows she was as hungry for power as anyone else.

"In 1999, she underwent major surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation to treat colon cancer. Ten years later, she was diagnosed with early stage pancreatic cancer, for which she also had surgery. In 2014, she went to the hospital after suffering chest pains during one of her famous workouts and discovered she had a blocked artery. [1]

She had been a supreme court justice for almost 20 years by then. Regardless of whether Obama's pick would have been watered down by lack of congressional control, her vanity has made things much worse and tarnishes her entire career.

Edit: So I don’t regret this entirely, she is deserving of great respect even if she made a possibly grave miscalculation.

We do not know the outcome yet, and whether intended or not this could result in something bigger working out in the same way WeWork’s failure could turn out to be a boon to RISC V.

[1] https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #455

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I'm sorry, but this is wildly naive. It isn't "likes" that are causing the problem. It is things like the fact that one side appears to be in the early stages[1] of a UN defined genocide[2]. I'm not going to be friendly to you if you think lower taxes or some other excuse is more important than the human and civil rights abuses that party supports. [1] - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/09/17/hyster...…

The whole reason most people join that side is that it’s no longer safe to publicly express any opinion that isn’t either anodyne or extreme. This generates constant, subtle pressure which - over years - drives increasingly extreme behaviour. Yes, I think the far right have gone much further than the far left in that regard; however, IMO its a question of when, rather than if, social progressives take up arms (given…

If you think being asked to be more PC is such an affront that you turn your back on literal genocide, then I'm not going to be your friend.

If a government moves forward with literal genocide, I won't blame any person who takes up arms against it.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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McConnell immediately clarified his position was "the Senate shouldn't consider a nomination in an election year if it's controlled by my party and the president isn't in my party" -- no kidding, this was his actual clarification.

That is, in fact, the actual practice. The constitution splits the appointment between the presidency and the senate. When the same party controls both, vacancies are filled immediately. Otherwise, the party controlling the senate can exercise its heckler’s veto: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/history-is-on-the-sid... What happened with Garland had happened numerous times before: > In short: There have been t…

What happened with Garland was new in that the Republicans refused to hold any hearing or vote on the matter. They did not violate any laws with their refusal, only norms. I don’t know why no nominations were made before Election Day in 4/10 cases; that may have been another lesser norm, or the vacancies may have been closer to the elections, or both.

In any case, the refusal was a further erosion of any semblance of working towards the good of the country with people of opposing ideologies. The same goes for the increased frequency of government shutdown threats and occurrences.

Really, if those practices had stood for so long on norms, they should have been codified into law already. But the Congress, regardless of party, doesn’t like to cede any power. It’s equally unlikely that if the Democrats take control they’ll do anything about it either. I’m vague on what it would entail—it’s been a while since I read up on it—but another hurdle might be that it would take an amendment rather than a law. Regulating what the Congress does is explicitly harder than making laws for the rest of us.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Given how broadly the United States exerts influence around the world, I feel obligated to stay and work to make things better.

And there is the right answer. If you are an American and you are professing hate for America (as many in this thread are) I feel bad for you. This is my home and I love it here. America has made mistakes, it will make more, it has corrupt people, evil people, good people, inventive people, thieving people but it's contributed quite a lot to this world socially, technologically and in many other ways. I find this ent…

What if you, at some point, find that the America you love makes it abundantly clear that it does not love you back, though? At risk of affirming Godwin's law, I'm sure that a lot of people living in Nazi Germany thought Germany was their home and loved it there, too. But at some point, you have to cut your losses, though.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

Yeah no way this matters to the current generation of Trump supporters. His second in command, McConnell, is probably calling an emergency session tonight to get the votes he needs to put in someone to end Roe v. Wade, as it is probably the most symbolic victory of women against the white male patriarchy since the birth of the USA (and suffrage) and it must not stand.
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