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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by edbob »

bsimpson wrote: post #52
paxys wrote: post #33

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He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Republicans, however, set the precedent by not allowing Obama to appoint one in his last year in office. My money, however, is on them ramming someone through anyways.

McConnell is pretty transparent about his hypocritical political bullshit: > "Oh, we’d fill it,” McConnell told supporters in Kentucky on Tuesday when asked what he would do if a Supreme Court justice died in 2020 while President Trump was still in office > https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/29/oh-wed-fi... edit: Am I really getting downvoted for pointing out how the current administration already said i…

People are probably reacting to some combination of unnecessary partisanship and the false equivalency. McConnell stated that appointments should not be made near the end of term while the White House and Senate are split between different parties. That is not the case now, so it's hard to see how you can call him hypocritical. You can disagree, but I think you could find a more constructive way to disagree than that post.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by pbourke »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #248
mhh__ wrote: post #119

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> They do not give a fuck Something that the Democrats need to realize is that they (especially Obama) assumed too much good faith in the congressional GOP. You can stick to your principles while doing it but, when you are against a party who now considers its last nominee (Romney) a radical BLM leftist, when they go low you need to be ready to kick them in the head.

Democrat senators Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid first introduced a filibuster for judicial nominees, and then ending the filibuster for judicial nominees when it was politically convenient for them. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/mitch-mcconn... Do you think that might have affected the ability of the current president to successfully appoint a supreme court justice now?

> Democrat senators Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid ...

*Democratic

Chuck Shumer, a Democrat, is a member of the Democratic Party.

When used as an adjective the correct usage is “Democratic”

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by [deleted] »

AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #457
rayiner wrote: post #398

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That is not the precedent: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/history-is-on-the-sid... > History supports Republicans filling the seat. Doing so would not be in any way inconsistent with Senate Republicans’ holding open the seat vacated by Justice Antonin Scalia in 2016. The reason is simple, and was explained by Mitch McConnell at the time. Historically, throughout American history, when their party controls the…

Just curious: does dem-controlled senate behave differently?

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by pm90 »

kenjackson wrote: post #353
tmountain wrote: post #329

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You can expand the number of seats on the Supreme Court via a bill passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the president. So we'd need the presidency, a majority in the House, and a supermajority in the Senate to invoke cloture to end the inevitable legislative filibuster from the Republicans. So even with a blue wave in November, that's not possible because it is extraordinarily unlikely that we gain a super…

But then get rid of the legislature filibuster after they've used it. The Senate will probably tend GOP, so make sure it is weaker.

Not if you give statehood to DC (and PR if they vote for it).

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Post by bluedevil2k »

dragonwriter wrote: post #404
bluedevil2k wrote: post #88

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Stop with these kind of comments. Do you honestly think the Supreme Court would allow a President to win a 3rd term? “We can all be certain” should be translated to “I feel like making a crazy rant here”. “Experiment is over” - the election is in 7 weeks, let’s hold off on the “get out while you can” comments until it’s over. How confident are you in your statement that the “American experiment is over”? Care to bet…

> Do you honestly think the Supreme Court would allow a President to win a 3rd term? Do I think a Supreme Court starting with the current one, with Ginsberg’s empty seat and probably Justice Breyer’s replaced by the kind of people the current Republican Party would appoint and confirm (assuming Trump gets a second term and the Republicans hold the Senate) would allow Trump to serve beyond the end of his second term w…

So now we’re claiming the entire US monetary system is going to collapse (and as a result most likely the worlds monetary system)? The more levels down we go in the comments here, the crazier the conspiracies.

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Post by p1necone »

ibejoeb wrote: post #310
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #219

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Sure, but, for example, Jacinda Ardern isn't Donald Trump or Boris Johnson.

Is the point to say that Ardern is somehow above it all? She just suspended the election, citing Covid, even though there were no transmissions for over 3 months.

The major opposition party and most of the minor parties wanted the election to be suspended. It wasn't electioneering, it was literally just making sure thousands of people didn't go to the polls during a pandemic.

Of course I will have zero surprise if the right wingers now start pointing back to it as if it was a bad thing, because blind opposition to everything is just what they do. But at the time everyone was calling for it.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by [deleted] »

bilegeek wrote: post #274
zanny wrote: post #218

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Theres a sliding scale of it though. The disinformation and anti-intellectual campaigns are generally weaker in mainland Europe and as a consequence the governments are less broken. The US is at the point where 30-40% of the country would drink bleach and shoot their neighbor at the presidents command while probably similar numbers are functionally illiterate. Not to say the democracy has been functioning, but you ca…

Unfortunately, in a global world run mostly by the US, China and Russia, Europe won't be immune from these effects; in fact, it isn't, since such ideology is clawing through there as well. Moving away will work in the short run, but it will only delay the inevitable. The only way the entire world gets through this is an equal amount of intelligent, thrifty democratic zealotry and luck. If we fall, it's only a matter…

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by jagger27 »

DenisM wrote: post #424
jagger27 wrote: post #250

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It seems to me that widespread conflict is exactly what Trump republicans want. Just this weeks' news: mass hysterectomies in ICE camps, Trump's tirade on rewriting school history books on slavery, overt mail service destruction, more anti-mask rhetoric, and the list goes on and on. They're putting the pedal to the metal.

>mass hysterectomies in ICE camps It seems quite a bit over the top. Do you really think it's true?

What makes you so skeptical? I don’t think it’s off-message at all for this admin to order such a thing.

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Post by sillysaurusx »

roenxi wrote: post #288
s5300 wrote: post #256

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Are you trying to say that you don't believe in integrity?

Sure. And they hopefully do their best. But it sits in tension with friendship. That is why there are all sorts of principles against it for high-integrity systems.

Well, props for sticking with a truly unpopular opinion.

I’d like to change your mind one day though. My friendship with Scott was instructive here. He was a former HN mod. I looked to him as a mentor and a friend, though I’m not sure it went both ways. Regardless, we worked together on Lumen for years. When I was banned for a year from HN, he never once allowed our friendship (such as it was) to affect his duty to the site. The decision wasn’t his, and he wasn’t going to pull strings internally just because we occasionally wrote code together.

I get what you’re saying. And I agree that in the long term, it’s extremely important to set up incentive structures in the right way. But friendship — a word quite hard to define, if you think about it — is a part of the human experience.

The point here is that there are people with integrity. They do exist. And they can be friends regardless of other duties — sometimes unpleasant ones.

Now, my little story isn’t quite related. I wasn’t an adversarial peer, which is what you’re talking about. But your reasoning seems to be: if the incentive structure permits friendship, it compromises integrity. It’s a reasonable concern, especially over the course of decades. But the word “professional” reflects the fact that business comes before friendship.

It’s a fundamental truth that people will try to form friendships regardless of their occupation. Rather than change the incentive structure, as you propose, shouldn’t we recognize that truth?

The reason I related to your comment so much is, for a time, I felt exactly the same way: if business was any indication, it was a web of insider deals, “friendships”, and favors behind closed doors. I wanted nothing to do with that world. But two people with integrity can sidestep all of those concerns and simply... be friends. Even in the highest court of the land, which determines our fate.

(As a sidenote, you seem like an interesting person. If you happen to want a friend, or to debate hypothetical political structures, feel free to DM me on Twitter.)

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Post by coliveira »

setpatchaddress wrote: post #282
Tagbert wrote: post #196

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You might want to see how this election turns out, first.

The best we can look forward to is a decade of civil war if Biden manages to take office. Unless someone figures out how to neutralize Facebook and Q immediately. Biden's still talking about being able to make deals with McConnell. We're totally fucked. It will of course be incomprehensibly darker if Trump manages to hold power.

That's correct, the country is fkd either way. If T. wins, he will cement his dictatorship. If he loses, even if removed from power, the country will be close to civil war.
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