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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by Kranar »

kenjackson wrote: post #341
tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

Democrats need to be ready to use the Nuclear Option. It's still on the table. They should have someone right now getting in shape for it.

Can you explain what you mean? The nuclear option [1] is used by the majority party in the Senate to end a filibuster by the minority party. Democrats are the minority party in the Senate and hence have no such option available to them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by cma »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #388
phobosanomaly wrote: post #269

Due to a really old technicality in our electoral system, we keep putting people in the presidency that the American people didn't actually vote for. Both Bush and Trump were not elected by a popular vote. The majority of American are being held hostage by a minority of voters with a disproportionate amount of political power. These un-elected presidents have had such incredibly far-reaching influences on the America…

I agree with you that presidents who lose the popular vote have questionable legitimacy. But Bush did actually win the popular vote in 2004 (a majority even) for his second term, which is when he appointed Roberts and Alito.

Bush likely wouldn't have won 2004 without 2000 though.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by monkeycantype »

renewiltord wrote: post #205
op03 wrote: post #188

Remove the Publicly visible Like Count and those kind of conversations and connections are easy. The Like count makes people defensive or aggressive especially when they are called out in public leading to never ending reaction and counter reaction cycles. Without that dumb random signal interfering in conversations all kinds of strange connections are possible. I see it at work meetings between highly competitive pe…

What. People were acrimonious in the medieval ages. They didn't have like counts. This is such total bullshit.

The like button is my performative social stupidity amplified. My stupid is loud enough already.

In all those generations of horrendous behaviour there are predictable patterns. At our best we are wonderful curious intelligent and kind, but in the heat of the moment, most of us don't have a lot of emotional self control, so we need to plan ahead to make better behaviour effortless and stupid behaviour effortful.

The like button is a mini version of the gun control debate, of course guns don't kill people on their own (actually... says boston robotics in the corner). I have close friend, a well respected law graduate now working in another field who said this week he'd love to have a weapon to wave at people who cut him off in traffic. This is a man who has worked for years to build a life and career, and he lacks the judgement to not escalate a trivial tiff with a stranger to a life or career ending act of stupidity.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

usefulcat wrote: post #181
deathgrips wrote: post #142

Unfortunately modern activists and politicians want to make it seem like no reasonable person could disagree with them. This makes it impossible to engage in a dialogue and bridge a gap.

The problem is that those activists and politicians you refer to are a reflection of what way too many voters genuinely want.

But perhaps it's the other way around? That the voters are led to believe there are extremes? And only extremes? Most reasonable people understand few things in the world are truly binary.

But when everything is framed as red v blue, what choice is there? That paradigm is topped with confirmation bias, media hyperbole and social media misinformation.

I have a diverse group of friends and colleagues. No one I know wants this.

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Post by taurath »

tyre wrote: post #313
jamiequint wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hillary won the popular vote by 1.1% and currently the Republicans hold a razor thin Senate majority and have been substantially outpaced by Democrats in the House, so I'm not really sure where you get the idea that there's a "far disproportionate share of power/representation". It seems pretty proportionate to me.

You look at the core beliefs of the Republican Party: Anti-Abortion: about or above sixty percent of Americans support legal abortions Climate change: two thirds of Americans view it as a top priority and that the benefits of action outweigh the costs Guns: sixty percent to two-thirds of Americans support stricter gun control. 90–92% support mandatory background checks Taxing Wealthy: again, sixty percent to two thir…

If people voted for any of those things, there would be quite a different margin. So then, what DO people vote for?

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Post by 3131s »

Trasmatta wrote: post #294
refurb wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m guessing they both read a Vox article that used that word and thought it sounded smart?

Putting aside the "ossification" drop, having the same sentence word for word, posted within a few minutes of each other is weird.

I don't have a link but I know it's happened in a few other HN comment sections.

Of course we have no clue as to how HN's algorithm works and what they do to mitigate manipulation on this platform. I definitely notice corporate spam on certain topics from time to time.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by jariel »

spiritplumber wrote: post #98

This turn of events means a likely ossification of American policy for a generation. Much like in Iran, you risk ending up with a "council of sages" who is out of step and out of touch with the will of the people. I say "you" because I can go elsewhere. My extended family wishes for me to return to Italy for my own safety.

"My extended family wishes for me to return to Italy for my own safety"

This is ridiculous. As long as you stay out of high-crime ghetto areas, you are as safe in America as most places, moreover, the crime rate has been dropping for 30 years.

Trump hasn't changed anything aside from possibly creating conditions for some protestors and police to be clashing.

Also - consider that a slightly conservative Supreme Court is not really 'out of step' with America, just one side of America.

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Post by caf »

ibejoeb wrote: post #310
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but, for example, Jacinda Ardern isn't Donald Trump or Boris Johnson.

Is the point to say that Ardern is somehow above it all? She just suspended the election, citing Covid, even though there were no transmissions for over 3 months.

She didn't suspend the election, she delayed it by 4 weeks. Her opponent in fact argued for that to happen.

And at the time they did have a new cluster of locally-transmitted cases.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53796434

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Post by selimthegrim »

wyldfire wrote: post #216
ncallaway wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it's time to fight back. Make it absolutely clear to McConnell and Democratic leaders in the Senate that if McConnell fills this seat in an election year, then the Democrats must increase the size of the SCOTUS. McConnell needs to fear the reprisal more than he fears the delay. Because you're right, this is about power. Nothing else matters to them. So make them fear this.

There's no reprisal that would intimidate him into not taking every opportunity to claim more power.

You want to split McConnell and Trump starting now. McConnell will throw Trump under the bus the moment he loses and has done the nomination. If Trump holds out he can bargain with the Democrats during the lame duck session on immunity.

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

awalton wrote: post #113
atonse wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I respected and admired RBG, even she would’ve known it’s at best a wish and nothing else. If things weren’t so polarized, they absolutely should spare no time in replacing the seat, as is their duty. But we know it’ll be yet another cynical and dishonest process as it was last time.

McConnell says you never replace a Supreme Court Justice in an election year. Let's see just how long it takes him to release a public statement going back on that one...

https://nitter.net/guypbenson/status/1307119221692870659
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