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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #263
ncallaway wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it's time to fight back. Make it absolutely clear to McConnell and Democratic leaders in the Senate that if McConnell fills this seat in an election year, then the Democrats must increase the size of the SCOTUS. McConnell needs to fear the reprisal more than he fears the delay. Because you're right, this is about power. Nothing else matters to them. So make them fear this.

So why wouldn’t the Republicans do the same thing next time they win an election? Or would the Democrats somehow guarantee that never happens again?

If the Supreme Court becomes a more partisan institution that shifts in viewpoints every 4 years, that's not ideal, but I think it's quite a bit better than the status quo where so many people see every appointment as an existential threat.

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Post by bluedevil2k »

smcameron wrote: post #224
Trasmatta wrote: post #189

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> will make sure Trump wins a second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term How would a Supreme Court Justice do this? A third and fourth term would require a constitutional amendment, which requires ratification by 3/4ths of the states.

The constitution means what the Supreme court says it means. Doesn't have to make sense.

Ok, are you honestly saying that you think a majority of the Supreme Court justices will rule against a direct and clear Constitutional Amendment just to help a President that has no control over them or their jobs?

Has this post really gotten to this point, that we’re just posting crazy claims without any merit or knowledge or research at all? Isn’t HN better than this?

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Post by 3131s »

seibelj wrote: post #178
theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

If you are not an American it's hard to understand the extent to which there is a cultural vortex where everything around you feels manufactured.

I left seven years ago and now live in a terrible third-world dictatorship actually. It's not that America is so bad to live in (if you have some money), but that things should be much better for young people especially and the justifications for why it can't be better are so deeply warped.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

atonse wrote: post #45
adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

As much as I respected and admired RBG, even she would’ve known it’s at best a wish and nothing else. If things weren’t so polarized, they absolutely should spare no time in replacing the seat, as is their duty. But we know it’ll be yet another cynical and dishonest process as it was last time.

> even she would’ve known it’s at best a wish and nothing else.

It's specifically her dying wish. IMO she's giving Senators who still support democracy something they can say to the press when they decline to vote to fill her seat.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by Gunax »

disown wrote: post #89

I think this is the first time in a long while that a non-nytimes obituary post leads on HN. Did the nytimes social media team all move to npr? Anyways I think ginsburg is the perfect example of why we need age, health and/or term limits for SCOTUS. Lifetime appointments should not exist in any government position and health should be a consideration on whether someone can hold a major government position. It's embar…

She was an advocate of gender equality long before she became a judge, famously in Moritz_v._Commissioner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_v._Commissioner

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

That is revisionist history at best Harry Reid (D) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid changed the rules and Congress have been fucked ever since.

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Post by gdubs »

ALittleLight wrote: post #221
mhh__ wrote: post #119

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> They do not give a fuck Something that the Democrats need to realize is that they (especially Obama) assumed too much good faith in the congressional GOP. You can stick to your principles while doing it but, when you are against a party who now considers its last nominee (Romney) a radical BLM leftist, when they go low you need to be ready to kick them in the head.

I don't know about head kicks. I think you just need to be a political realist. The reality is that you need (edit: cooperation of the) Senate and Presidency to get a Justice nominated. Obama didn't have the Senate and didn't get his pick for Justice. Trump does, and will get his pick. The whole "Republicans are hypocrites" thing is true - but obviously so. Whatever was said about not doing it in election year was si…

Kennedy, Souter, and Thomas were all approved by a senate of an opposing party. Apparently you have to go back to the 1800s though to find a case where a Democratic president had a nominee appointed by a Republican Senate.

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Post by ALittleLight »

kelnos wrote: post #195

Here's my prediction: Trump will nominate a successor in the next couple weeks. McConnell will start the process, but delay the vote until after the November election. This way: If Trump wins, McConnell can say that he was entirely reasonable and consistent, and he waited until after the election to ensure that the people really wanted Trump's SCOTUS nomination to be confirmed. If Trump loses, McConnell still has the…

High information Republican voters will know what he did and why, and will probably support his decision. Low information Republican voters will not know about his hypocrisy. Non-Republican voters won't vote for him regardless.

I expect McConnel to just create some reason why things are different this time, or, if he wants to be a troll, to say "I was wrong in 2016" or just to not address the hypocrisy and go right on ahead nominating a new Justice.

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Post by aatharuv »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #92
nscalf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you clearly don’t get the context, the Republicans made this a giant issue when Obama had an open Supreme Court seat towards the end of his term. Let’s call a spade a spade: the republicans have no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it. They will now ignore the precedent they set and place a new Supreme Court justice.

It's more like the congress exercised there constitution power to do fuck all if they wanted. Just cause it's a shitty thing doesn't make it un-constitution. What happened to Obama was his party didn't have the votes to approve someone so it didn't happen that's it.

No, what happened is that Mitch McConnell refused to even allow a vote, and even Republican senators wouldn't have been able to vote for the centrist proposed by Obama.

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Post by ibejoeb »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #219
seibelj wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

Sure, but, for example, Jacinda Ardern isn't Donald Trump or Boris Johnson.

Is the point to say that Ardern is somehow above it all? She just suspended the election, citing Covid, even though there were no transmissions for over 3 months.
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