Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by lovehashbrowns » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

bluedevil2k wrote: post #88

bleepblorp wrote: post #41

I think we can all be certain that whoever is appointed by the Federalist Society and approved by Mitch McConnell will make sure Trump wins a second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term. The American experiment as a free and democratic country is over. Unless you want to live in a real world version of The Handmaid's Tale, get the fsck out if you still can.

Stop with these kind of comments. Do you honestly think the Supreme Court would allow a President to win a 3rd term? “We can all be certain” should be translated to “I feel like making a crazy rant here”. “Experiment is over” - the election is in 7 weeks, let’s hold off on the “get out while you can” comments until it’s over. How confident are you in your statement that the “American experiment is over”? Care to bet…

What's crazy about that rant? Trump already has his reasoning for wanting a third term.

Two remaining lines of defense for the American people were (1) Elections and (2) the Supreme Court.

2 is now gone. Republicans (Aka trump) are working hard on 1.

By the way, what happens when election results are contested? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by sjg007 » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

tyre wrote: post #209

ncallaway wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it's time to fight back. Make it absolutely clear to McConnell and Democratic leaders in the Senate that if McConnell fills this seat in an election year, then the Democrats must increase the size of the SCOTUS. McConnell needs to fear the reprisal more than he fears the delay. Because you're right, this is about power. Nothing else matters to them. So make them fear this.

I can’t see Dems doing that. They don’t have the popular support for something like that, let alone the courage. What they should do is physically barricade the Capitol. I’m not really joking. It will come to that. My first guess of the most action they will take: Staging a walk-out of the vote.

They will.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tommoor » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

zanny wrote: post #218

seibelj wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

Theres a sliding scale of it though. The disinformation and anti-intellectual campaigns are generally weaker in mainland Europe and as a consequence the governments are less broken. The US is at the point where 30-40% of the country would drink bleach and shoot their neighbor at the presidents command while probably similar numbers are functionally illiterate. Not to say the democracy has been functioning, but you ca…

> The US is at the point where 30-40% of the country would drink bleach and shoot their neighbor at the presidents command

It sounds like you may have succumbed to some of that disinformation yourself

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by bilegeek » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

zanny wrote: post #218

seibelj wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

Theres a sliding scale of it though. The disinformation and anti-intellectual campaigns are generally weaker in mainland Europe and as a consequence the governments are less broken. The US is at the point where 30-40% of the country would drink bleach and shoot their neighbor at the presidents command while probably similar numbers are functionally illiterate. Not to say the democracy has been functioning, but you ca…

Unfortunately, in a global world run mostly by the US, China and Russia, Europe won't be immune from these effects; in fact, it isn't, since such ideology is clawing through there as well. Moving away will work in the short run, but it will only delay the inevitable.

The only way the entire world gets through this is an equal amount of intelligent, thrifty democratic zealotry and luck. If we fall, it's only a matter of time until the entire world goes with.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by CobrastanJorji » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

mikeyouse wrote: post #47

syedkarim wrote: post #7

Does Trump have enough time to get a new justice nominated and confirmed?

Realistically, they have until the last day of the current congress which runs until January 3rd, 2021. The Senate has 37 working days remaining in 2020. It would be an amazing feat if they manage to do it, but you bet if only as an animating fight for the party faithful who are historically depressed right now, they're going to try.

Justice Harold Hitz Burton is tied for the record: 0 days. There was less than 24 hours between nomination and confirmation. He was at least the 10th to achieve this feat. McConnell will require exactly as many days as he deems most politically expedient.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by rdxm » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

SloopJon wrote: post #206

bonzini wrote: post #8

Of course a president should not appoint a judge on the last few months of his term, should he?

One possible strategy for Trump (which would be very much out of character) would be to wait out of respect for RBG and/or the Garland precedent. Meanwhile, he uses the empty seat as a campaign issue to keep reluctant conservatives from jumping ship.

trump's not that smart....

his russian handlers....now that's a different story....

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

zanny wrote: post #218

seibelj wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

Theres a sliding scale of it though. The disinformation and anti-intellectual campaigns are generally weaker in mainland Europe and as a consequence the governments are less broken. The US is at the point where 30-40% of the country would drink bleach and shoot their neighbor at the presidents command while probably similar numbers are functionally illiterate. Not to say the democracy has been functioning, but you ca…

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by res0nat0r » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #178

theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

Also this is a good article written a few years ago that tries to tamp down a bit of the RBG cult, and that she should have retired during Obamas term if she really was concerned about keeping a liberal justice on the SCOTUS.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by netsharc » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:29 AM UTC

awalton wrote: post #113

atonse wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I respected and admired RBG, even she would’ve known it’s at best a wish and nothing else. If things weren’t so polarized, they absolutely should spare no time in replacing the seat, as is their duty. But we know it’ll be yet another cynical and dishonest process as it was last time.

McConnell says you never replace a Supreme Court Justice in an election year. Let's see just how long it takes him to release a public statement going back on that one...

Well, it's not like this flip-flop would be in the top 10 of his list of shameless actions... From his point of view, the majority of the country already hates him anyway, and sure, it's a few weeks of bad press from the predictable wing, but in the end he'll (hopefully for him) have pushed his cause (making the conservative grip more concrete) forward.

The progressives will rage on Twitter, but on the day he goes back on what he said in 2016, Mitch is going to have a pleasant dinner with company that will agree with him, and he's going to fall asleep just fine, because he's convinced (or twisted the truth to convince himself) he's doing the right thing, and those who disagree with him are the ones who are un-American...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by refurb » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:29 AM UTC

rezendi wrote: post #151

Kattywumpus wrote: post #130

If Trump and the Republicans confirm a new Justice, Democrats have indicated they will pack the Supreme Court, appointing as many Justices as they feel necessary to get the rulings they want. "If they show that they're unwilling to respect precedent, rules and history, then they can't feign surprise when others talk about using a statutory option that we have that's fully constitutional in our availability," he said.…

This is amusingly silly. Changing the composition of the Court is not unheard of and FDR, not exactly known as the poster child of "destroying the legitimacy of Constitutional government," nearly did it in 1937 (and likely would have if not for another untimely death.) https://today.law.harvard.edu/if-democrats-win-in-november-s...

FDR can absolutely shit on by his own party for the idea. He ended up backing down.