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Post by op03 »

renewiltord wrote: post #205
op03 wrote: post #188

Remove the Publicly visible Like Count and those kind of conversations and connections are easy. The Like count makes people defensive or aggressive especially when they are called out in public leading to never ending reaction and counter reaction cycles. Without that dumb random signal interfering in conversations all kinds of strange connections are possible. I see it at work meetings between highly competitive pe…

What. People were acrimonious in the medieval ages. They didn't have like counts. This is such total bullshit.

I have seen it with friends busy bashing each other on Twitter/FB but being able to reconcile on a Whatsapp group or a private meeting.

Its not that on Whatsapp groups some members of the group aren't entertained by a good fight and goad/encourage both sides. Its that when its private and social status and social signaling is less of a priority and people you trust/respect can step in and cool things down and refocus the conversation on solutions.

In the public square there are thousands of retards who will show up to encourage both sides to keep fighting. It benefits the platforms. Conflict is much more engaging than a boring conversation on lets work out the details.

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Post by geofft »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #190
geofft wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you honestly think the Supreme Court would allow a President to win a 3rd term? Why wouldn't they? They have nothing to gain from opposing it, and much to lose. I mean, do you honestly think the United States Postal Service would dismantle its own machinery and send out misinformation about elections?

They have lifetime appointments, what would they have to gain by ruling against a Constitutional Amendment??

They don't have lifetime appointments - they have appointments during "good behavior." Who's going to determine when they've started behaving badly?

I mean, the history of basically every country that has fallen into single-party rule is the story of good intentions, including the belief that people will listen to the constitution, not counting for much in the face of real-world political power. I'm not saying it will happen to the US; I'm saying it's naive to believe it can't happen.

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Post by ghufran_syed »

ncallaway wrote: post #185
tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

Then it's time to fight back. Make it absolutely clear to McConnell and Democratic leaders in the Senate that if McConnell fills this seat in an election year, then the Democrats must increase the size of the SCOTUS. McConnell needs to fear the reprisal more than he fears the delay. Because you're right, this is about power. Nothing else matters to them. So make them fear this.

So why wouldn’t the Republicans do the same thing next time they win an election? Or would the Democrats somehow guarantee that never happens again?

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Post by Trasmatta »

smcameron wrote: post #224
Trasmatta wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> will make sure Trump wins a second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term How would a Supreme Court Justice do this? A third and fourth term would require a constitutional amendment, which requires ratification by 3/4ths of the states.

The constitution means what the Supreme court says it means. Doesn't have to make sense.

A Supreme Court ruling directly against the 22nd Amendment seems even less likely to me than somehow getting enough votes in Congress and then 38 states to ratify a new amendment to nullify it. Which also seems incredibly unlikely.

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Post by howlgarnish »

zanny wrote: post #218
seibelj wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

Theres a sliding scale of it though. The disinformation and anti-intellectual campaigns are generally weaker in mainland Europe and as a consequence the governments are less broken. The US is at the point where 30-40% of the country would drink bleach and shoot their neighbor at the presidents command while probably similar numbers are functionally illiterate. Not to say the democracy has been functioning, but you ca…

With all due respect, you're engaging in the same zealotry yourself here. Trump is an idiot, but his ramblings about disinfecting the lungs do not mean "30-40% of the country would drink bleach" or that his voters are "functionally illiterate".

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Post by ianai »

jcalvinowens wrote: post #212
ianai wrote: post #31

I mourn her loss. She’s done more for my life and the average americans life than quite a significant many. Extremism in any shape breeds further extremism. I hope society is about to do a “big blink”. It only takes a majority in the senate and house to add a seat to the SCOTUS or a state to the union.

> It only takes a majority in the senate and house to add a seat to the SCOTUS Exactly. If Biden wins and the senate flips, they'll just add two justices (for 11 total) to get a majority. The right will scream bloody murder, but won't be able to do anything about it.

Four. Whatever trump got plus one for Garland. Also make DC a state on day 1.

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Post by acdha »

seibelj wrote: post #178
theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

You’re saying there’s no difference between, say, Denmark and Syria? You’d just flip a coin between Russia and New Zealand?

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Post by phobosanomaly »

Due to a really old technicality in our electoral system, we keep putting people in the presidency that the American people didn't actually vote for. Both Bush and Trump were not elected by a popular vote.

The majority of American are being held hostage by a minority of voters with a disproportionate amount of political power.

These un-elected presidents have had such incredibly far-reaching influences on the American political landscape, economy, and infrastructure (setting aside the fallout of the neocon's foreign military adventures).

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Post by refurb »

Trasmatta wrote: post #233
spiritplumber wrote: post #98

This turn of events means a likely ossification of American policy for a generation. Much like in Iran, you risk ending up with a "council of sages" who is out of step and out of touch with the will of the people. I say "you" because I can go elsewhere. My extended family wishes for me to return to Italy for my own safety.

Why are there two posts right next to each other with the exact same first sentence? > This turn of events means a likely ossification of American policy for a generation. This was also posted by: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24522964

I’m guessing they both read a Vox article that used that word and thought it sounded smart?
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