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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by wyldfire »

awalton wrote: post #113
atonse wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I respected and admired RBG, even she would’ve known it’s at best a wish and nothing else. If things weren’t so polarized, they absolutely should spare no time in replacing the seat, as is their duty. But we know it’ll be yet another cynical and dishonest process as it was last time.

McConnell says you never replace a Supreme Court Justice in an election year. Let's see just how long it takes him to release a public statement going back on that one...

He did make such a statement months ago.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by meundies9 »

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #43
throwaway6000 wrote: post #6

Guess the republican SCOTUS replacement.

Amy Barrett.

Probably the most realistic choice. She's backed by the Federalist Society, rather than Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz.

Plus, she's a woman. She'll get branded as the 'RBG of the right'

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by coredog64 »

tootie wrote: post #133
dexterdog wrote: post #65

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But that was a republican senate that had the power to confirm or not. Now you have a republican president and senate so if they want to ram somebody through they can do that.

McConnel also ended the filibuster on nominees to freeze democrats out of the process completely.

Tit-for-tat. Harry Reid had exercised the “nuclear option” to exclude most Presidential appointments from being filibustered a few years previous.

We’re in an iterated prisoner’s dilemma and we’re still in the “last turn sets the new norm” phase. I’m hoping there’s a way out before too long.

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Post by jandrese »

kelnos wrote: post #131
mikeyouse wrote: post #47

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Realistically, they have until the last day of the current congress which runs until January 3rd, 2021. The Senate has 37 working days remaining in 2020. It would be an amazing feat if they manage to do it, but you bet if only as an animating fight for the party faithful who are historically depressed right now, they're going to try.

How would it be an amazing feat? Trump already has a list of candidates, and all it takes is 50 Senators to say yes (plus Pence breaking a tie if they somehow don't get 51). There's no requirement to allow any but the most perfunctory of floor debates, and the filibuster has been eliminated for SCOTUS justices. Guaranteed McConnell will ram this through with plenty of time to spare.

He could have it done by Wednesday if he wants. Just pick the youngest and most ideological from the Federalist society's list and give them an up/down vote and the President can sign off in no time.

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Post by xxpor »

Kattywumpus wrote: post #130

If Trump and the Republicans confirm a new Justice, Democrats have indicated they will pack the Supreme Court, appointing as many Justices as they feel necessary to get the rulings they want. "If they show that they're unwilling to respect precedent, rules and history, then they can't feign surprise when others talk about using a statutory option that we have that's fully constitutional in our availability," he said.…

The Republicans have won the popular vote once since 1988. They have no politically legitimate claim to those seats.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by [deleted] »

tyingq wrote: post #97
atonse wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I respected and admired RBG, even she would’ve known it’s at best a wish and nothing else. If things weren’t so polarized, they absolutely should spare no time in replacing the seat, as is their duty. But we know it’ll be yet another cynical and dishonest process as it was last time.

I'm somewhat curious how much deference and respect the administration will grant her. Basically how many days before they start pitching their nominee. Edit: Fwiw, the RBG movie about her is on Hulu now.

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Post by seibelj »

theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

I’m sad to say you may find the grass is always greener on the other side - government corruption exists everywhere that government exists.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mhh__ »

tyre wrote: post #149
mhh__ wrote: post #119

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> They do not give a fuck Something that the Democrats need to realize is that they (especially Obama) assumed too much good faith in the congressional GOP. You can stick to your principles while doing it but, when you are against a party who now considers its last nominee (Romney) a radical BLM leftist, when they go low you need to be ready to kick them in the head.

Precisely. There is a desire, specifically and especially on the left, to get so caught up in their principles that people believe it is the primary source of change. For example: What should be the first acts and priorities be of a democratic administration? Healthcare? Nope. Climate change? Nope. A federal holiday for election days? Yes. Passing legislation mandating mail-in ballots? Yes. That’s how you think about…

Being embarrassed about wanting to be in power is a perpetual problem for leftism (It's understandable - it involves saying yes to the institutions you probably want to reform).

Consider Corbyn in the UK - Awful polling from day 1, doesn't help much with Brexit, loses 2 elections (One meh, one disaster) but the lessons learned is that they won the "argument" and it's all good?

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by quickthrowman »

alex_young wrote: post #122
adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

Mitch McConnell and Trump will have a replacement confirmed by the end of October.
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