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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by chrismsimpson »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #88
bleepblorp wrote: post #41

I think we can all be certain that whoever is appointed by the Federalist Society and approved by Mitch McConnell will make sure Trump wins a second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term. The American experiment as a free and democratic country is over. Unless you want to live in a real world version of The Handmaid's Tale, get the fsck out if you still can.

Stop with these kind of comments. Do you honestly think the Supreme Court would allow a President to win a 3rd term? “We can all be certain” should be translated to “I feel like making a crazy rant here”. “Experiment is over” - the election is in 7 weeks, let’s hold off on the “get out while you can” comments until it’s over. How confident are you in your statement that the “American experiment is over”? Care to bet…

Read: don’t say “I told you so” until it’s absolutely too late

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by nscalf »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #92
nscalf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you clearly don’t get the context, the Republicans made this a giant issue when Obama had an open Supreme Court seat towards the end of his term. Let’s call a spade a spade: the republicans have no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it. They will now ignore the precedent they set and place a new Supreme Court justice.

It's more like the congress exercised there constitution power to do fuck all if they wanted. Just cause it's a shitty thing doesn't make it un-constitution. What happened to Obama was his party didn't have the votes to approve someone so it didn't happen that's it.

It's a bad faith enforcement of the constitution. In democracies like the US, precedents are as powerful as laws. This was not literally breaking any laws, but this was as bad as breaking a law.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tootie »

alex_young wrote: post #122
adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

Precedent means nothing. There's no law. Mcconnell just abused his power and will do so again with no regard for his past position.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by ncallaway »

dexterdog wrote: post #65
paxys wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Republicans, however, set the precedent by not allowing Obama to appoint one in his last year in office. My money, however, is on them ramming someone through anyways.

But that was a republican senate that had the power to confirm or not. Now you have a republican president and senate so if they want to ram somebody through they can do that.

They can do it. But the very same Senate Majority leader set the precedent to not confirm appointments in an election year.

If McConnell violates this precedent that he set, I would strongly advocate for Democrats (whenever they have the Senate) to remove the legislative filibuster and increase the size of the SCOTUS to 17.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by Igelau »

nscalf wrote: post #30
xwdv wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He absolutely should it is his job.

Since you clearly don’t get the context, the Republicans made this a giant issue when Obama had an open Supreme Court seat towards the end of his term. Let’s call a spade a spade: the republicans have no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it. They will now ignore the precedent they set and place a new Supreme Court justice.

> no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it

Any American politician who appears to have such a regard 9 times out of 10 is a manipulative psychopath who is stringing you along.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

lumost wrote: post #76
nscalf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you clearly don’t get the context, the Republicans made this a giant issue when Obama had an open Supreme Court seat towards the end of his term. Let’s call a spade a spade: the republicans have no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it. They will now ignore the precedent they set and place a new Supreme Court justice.

I'm still surprised the Democrats try to discuss compromise at this point. You can't compromise with someone running a madman strategy, realistically I don't know any true independents on the political spectrum at this point.

Respectfully, you probably do know independents. We just don't often talk about our political views to people who say compromise is dead and you have to be on one side or the other.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by erichurkman »

mikeyouse wrote: post #47
syedkarim wrote: post #7

Does Trump have enough time to get a new justice nominated and confirmed?

Realistically, they have until the last day of the current congress which runs until January 3rd, 2021. The Senate has 37 working days remaining in 2020. It would be an amazing feat if they manage to do it, but you bet if only as an animating fight for the party faithful who are historically depressed right now, they're going to try.

The cynic in me says they will leave the seat open through the election, with full intent of filling it in the lame duck sessions, to keep it as a drive for GOP votes. "Don't let the Democrats fill the seat!"

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tyre »

mhh__ wrote: post #119
tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

> They do not give a fuck Something that the Democrats need to realize is that they (especially Obama) assumed too much good faith in the congressional GOP. You can stick to your principles while doing it but, when you are against a party who now considers its last nominee (Romney) a radical BLM leftist, when they go low you need to be ready to kick them in the head.

Precisely.

There is a desire, specifically and especially on the left, to get so caught up in their principles that people believe it is the primary source of change.

For example:

What should be the first acts and priorities be of a democratic administration?

Healthcare? Nope.

Climate change? Nope.

A federal holiday for election days? Yes.

Passing legislation mandating mail-in ballots? Yes.

That’s how you think about politics. About power. Lock in any advantage and expand it. Democrats have popular support for their policies but cannot for the life of them think strategically.

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