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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by kelnos »

mikeyouse wrote: post #47
syedkarim wrote: post #7

Does Trump have enough time to get a new justice nominated and confirmed?

Realistically, they have until the last day of the current congress which runs until January 3rd, 2021. The Senate has 37 working days remaining in 2020. It would be an amazing feat if they manage to do it, but you bet if only as an animating fight for the party faithful who are historically depressed right now, they're going to try.

How would it be an amazing feat? Trump already has a list of candidates, and all it takes is 50 Senators to say yes (plus Pence breaking a tie if they somehow don't get 51). There's no requirement to allow any but the most perfunctory of floor debates, and the filibuster has been eliminated for SCOTUS justices.

Guaranteed McConnell will ram this through with plenty of time to spare.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tootie »

dexterdog wrote: post #65
paxys wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Republicans, however, set the precedent by not allowing Obama to appoint one in his last year in office. My money, however, is on them ramming someone through anyways.

But that was a republican senate that had the power to confirm or not. Now you have a republican president and senate so if they want to ram somebody through they can do that.

McConnel also ended the filibuster on nominees to freeze democrats out of the process completely.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by dmit »

stickyricky wrote: post #37

I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

The relationship between RBG and Scalia served as inspiration for one of the most beloved post-Sorkin episodes of The West Wing. The Supremes, 5x17.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by basementcat »

stock_toaster wrote: post #72
bsimpson wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

McConnell is pretty transparent about his hypocritical political bullshit: > "Oh, we’d fill it,” McConnell told supporters in Kentucky on Tuesday when asked what he would do if a Supreme Court justice died in 2020 while President Trump was still in office > https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/29/oh-wed-fi... edit: Am I really getting downvoted for pointing out how the current administration already said i…

McConnell has done more harm to the USA than any other politician I can think of in recent memory.

McConnell is just doing what his constituents want. Otherwise, they wouldn't have voted for him repeatedly since 1984.

EDIT: One might argue that Mr. McConnell correctly anticipated the desires of the USA electorate because in November of 2016 they expressed a wish for more conservative judges in federal courts. If the voting public was outraged by McConnell's actions, one might expect they'd vote accordingly.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by LegitShady »

charliemil4 wrote: post #104
adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

[removed] It will be tough, but maybe they could

Why would they wait for the things you think are more important that don't have anything to do with it?

Republicans have a majority of the Senate judiciary committee and the Senate. They have it if they want it without involving stimulus or anything to do with Congress.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by caymanjim »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #60
nscalf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you clearly don’t get the context, the Republicans made this a giant issue when Obama had an open Supreme Court seat towards the end of his term. Let’s call a spade a spade: the republicans have no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it. They will now ignore the precedent they set and place a new Supreme Court justice.

I think the law of the land is probably “whoever controls the Senate decides whether the Senate confirms a nominee”, but I guess we’ll find out soon.

There's no probably about it or thinking required. That is literally the law. The President nominates a replacement, and the Senate votes to confirm it or not. There are plenty of layers of politics, posturing, and pomp added on, but the law is simple and clear.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by awalton »

apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #96
koolba wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The distinction being that the opposition controlled the senate under Obama and he was too weak a president to take up the case that he had a right to have his nominees even considered. They didn’t just stop him from picking a justice, he abdicated his power by not pushing back.

What do you mean "too weak"? It's literally impossible for the President to push through a judge who the Senate refuses to even vote on. There's nothing Obama, or any president, could have done. It's not within their power.

Clearly Obama should have just done an end-run around Congress, because that's how democracy works in America now, right? Just write an Executive Order and ignore the fact that it's totally and completely illegal. That would show "true grit," breaking the constitution and all...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by wilg »

mc32 wrote: post #55
mmaunder wrote: post #13

Worked right to the end even with her health challenges. What a role model.

Hmm, I’m ambivalent about people who do this. I think if you know your time is near, you should take it easy. Do some mundane things. Yes, I know “but it’s the only thing I love doing”. I disagree with that choice.

It's different when you're a member of the US SUPREME COURT

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by jlawson »

nscalf wrote: post #30
xwdv wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He absolutely should it is his job.

Since you clearly don’t get the context, the Republicans made this a giant issue when Obama had an open Supreme Court seat towards the end of his term. Let’s call a spade a spade: the republicans have no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it. They will now ignore the precedent they set and place a new Supreme Court justice.

This is a laughable inability to distinguish between 'I don't like it' and 'it's unconstitutional and illegal', mixed with obvious massive hypocrisy.

When the Republicans refused to confirm Garland, they did it fully within the processes laid out in the constitution.

If the Democrats had the senate now, we can guarantee they would have blocked every Trump nominee past and future. Or do you think they would have allowed Kavanaugh through? Of course not, they tried everything to stop him, inside and outside the process. And I know you cheered their efforts.

You're just being massively hypocritical. You want the Dems to block Trump nominees by any means necessary, but if elected Republicans simply use established processes to do the same thing it's "no regard for the constitution".

EDIT: Clarify garland situation, doesn't change the point.

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