Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by bluedevil2k » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:55 PM UTC

abawany wrote: post #56

bleepblorp wrote: post #41

I think we can all be certain that whoever is appointed by the Federalist Society and approved by Mitch McConnell will make sure Trump wins a second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term. The American experiment as a free and democratic country is over. Unless you want to live in a real world version of The Handmaid's Tale, get the fsck out if you still can.

It really does seem the cosmos has decided that America's time of greatness (however broad the meaning of that word is) is at an end. I hope my comment turns out to be another "who needs dropbox". Edit0:s/this/my.

Based on what? A justice dying and a terrible president who will be voted out of office in 7 weeks? Quit with the sensationalist “the world is ending” comments that aren’t based on anything but you’re pessimistic gut feeling.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by juniper_strong » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:56 PM UTC

stickyricky wrote: post #37

I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

Seems like that sort of thing is becoming rarer every day. RIP Ruth and Antonin.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by ComputerGuru » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:56 PM UTC

bleepblorp wrote: post #41

I think we can all be certain that whoever is appointed by the Federalist Society and approved by Mitch McConnell will make sure Trump wins a second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term. The American experiment as a free and democratic country is over. Unless you want to live in a real world version of The Handmaid's Tale, get the fsck out if you still can.

Politically charged appointees to the Supreme Court have on occasion surprised naysayers and showed independence or at least made it a point to not be outright impartial.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by dexterdog » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:57 PM UTC

This is Trump's chance to score some points. If he defers the appointment he will score some points with people and have a better chance of re-election. If they ram it through his chances of winning will be worse than they already are. This is at most a 2d chess move. They'll probably still screw it up.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by CDRdude » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:57 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #54

paxys wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Republicans, however, set the precedent by not allowing Obama to appoint one in his last year in office. My money, however, is on them ramming someone through anyways.

The distinction being that the opposition controlled the senate under Obama and he was too weak a president to take up the case that he had a right to have his nominees even considered. They didn’t just stop him from picking a justice, he abdicated his power by not pushing back.

What do you mean, too weak a president? The president can’t push back on that—-the senate confirms justices, that’s in the constitution:

... and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tyre » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:58 PM UTC

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will)

They do not give a fuck.

That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate.

This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by juniper_strong » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:58 PM UTC

nscalf wrote: post #30

xwdv wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He absolutely should it is his job.

Since you clearly don’t get the context, the Republicans made this a giant issue when Obama had an open Supreme Court seat towards the end of his term. Let’s call a spade a spade: the republicans have no regard for the constitution or laws of the land if they benefit from ignoring it. They will now ignore the precedent they set and place a new Supreme Court justice.

Do you think Obama asked the Republicans in the Senate for their advice on who to nominate when he nominated Merrick Garland?

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by bluedevil2k » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:58 PM UTC

bleepblorp wrote: post #41

I think we can all be certain that whoever is appointed by the Federalist Society and approved by Mitch McConnell will make sure Trump wins a second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term. The American experiment as a free and democratic country is over. Unless you want to live in a real world version of The Handmaid's Tale, get the fsck out if you still can.

Stop with these kind of comments. Do you honestly think the Supreme Court would allow a President to win a 3rd term? “We can all be certain” should be translated to “I feel like making a crazy rant here”. “Experiment is over” - the election is in 7 weeks, let’s hold off on the “get out while you can” comments until it’s over.

How confident are you in your statement that the “American experiment is over”? Care to bet $10k on there being a free and fair election in 2028? I get “Yes”, you can have “No”.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by disown » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:58 PM UTC

I think this is the first time in a long while that a non-nytimes obituary post leads on HN. Did the nytimes social media team all move to npr?

Anyways I think ginsburg is the perfect example of why we need age, health and/or term limits for SCOTUS. Lifetime appointments should not exist in any government position and health should be a consideration on whether someone can hold a major government position.

It's embarrassing to see both sides ( including ginsburg herself ) use ginsburg's life as a political football.

Also "champion of gender equality"? Was she a judge or a political activist? Or is she just another example of the politization of the courts, media and every aspect of our lifes?

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by abawany » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 11:59 PM UTC

bluedevil2k wrote: post #81

abawany wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really does seem the cosmos has decided that America's time of greatness (however broad the meaning of that word is) is at an end. I hope my comment turns out to be another "who needs dropbox". Edit0:s/this/my.

Based on what? A justice dying and a terrible president who will be voted out of office in 7 weeks? Quit with the sensationalist “the world is ending” comments that aren’t based on anything but you’re pessimistic gut feeling.

You accuse me of pessimistic gut feeling while laying out yours. The election outcome is far far far from certain. I used to deal with coworkers who were similarly smug in 2016 and they were proven to be equally wrong.