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Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by gavinray »

swyx wrote: post #186
RNCTX wrote: post #126

Vue is the only one of the most popular 3 frameworks that can easily be used on a minimal basis to sort of "spruce up" old applications by selectively adding it here and there in the templates. Seems like they should try more marketing and community outreach toward that end. Gradual adoption is a feature / selling point not many web development frameworks can claim.

i'm afraid this is pretty much plain wrong. react and svelte also support incremental adoption, and i dont know angular but i'd hazard there's a way to do it too if you bothered to ask angular devs. what you're responding to is marketing , which Vue has done an effective job of. thats fine, but it is unfair of you to conclude "Gradual adoption is a feature / selling point not many web development frameworks can claim…

I think the original commenter might have intended to mean without additional build tooling?

While it isn't pretty, you can drop Vue in a tag on a page and define components with template strings.

In React, you can technically do this, but you need to either:

A. Use React.createElement() calls

B. Use something like "htm" also included via a tag, with template literal tags to wrap your component renders

You can technically include Babel in a tag to use JSX, but it only works with blocks that have been tagged as "JSX", not within regular ".js" files you can import using "src="

Jason Miller a-la Preact is the person I see most consistently working on and pushing this sort of React/Preact no-build setup. I definitely get the appeal, for this exact usecase -- you have a simple, mostly-static website (or something old and built with jQuery) and you want to incrementally modernize it/add functionality without rewriting the whole thing.

https://twitter.com/_developit/status/1220102334048624643

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by hobby-coder-guy »

brlewis wrote: post #190
RNCTX wrote: post #126

Vue is the only one of the most popular 3 frameworks that can easily be used on a minimal basis to sort of "spruce up" old applications by selectively adding it here and there in the templates. Seems like they should try more marketing and community outreach toward that end. Gradual adoption is a feature / selling point not many web development frameworks can claim.

> Vue is the only one of the most popular 3 frameworks that can I don't know if you intended it this way, but the start of this comment makes it automatically flamebait. Discussion around release announcements can quickly turn into a flame war. Please use caution.

What do you mean?

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by hobby-coder-guy »

swyx wrote: post #186
RNCTX wrote: post #126

Vue is the only one of the most popular 3 frameworks that can easily be used on a minimal basis to sort of "spruce up" old applications by selectively adding it here and there in the templates. Seems like they should try more marketing and community outreach toward that end. Gradual adoption is a feature / selling point not many web development frameworks can claim.

i'm afraid this is pretty much plain wrong. react and svelte also support incremental adoption, and i dont know angular but i'd hazard there's a way to do it too if you bothered to ask angular devs. what you're responding to is marketing , which Vue has done an effective job of. thats fine, but it is unfair of you to conclude "Gradual adoption is a feature / selling point not many web development frameworks can claim…

Svelte. Popular.

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by dane-pgp »

umvi wrote: post #130

So it looks like Vue releases are all named after anime? For anyone curious, here's the full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vue.js#Versions

Is that a JoJo reference?

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by ramses0 »

reaperducer wrote: post #163
mariushn wrote: post #158

Why is IE11 support still important now? I can't find exact stats on it, but it seems <2%. Surely projects which still want to support IE11 could still stick for a while with Vue2.

IE11 is still heavily used in some industries, such as healthcare. Browser statistics services usually don't pick up on a lot of IE11 use because it's on internal networks. I wish I could ignore IE11, but the reality is that I can't.

IE11 is also frequently represented as `mshtml.dll` in windows programs that embed a browser (eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(software)#Use_cases )

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by hombre_fatal »

hobby-coder-guy wrote: post #192
brlewis wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Vue is the only one of the most popular 3 frameworks that can I don't know if you intended it this way, but the start of this comment makes it automatically flamebait. Discussion around release announcements can quickly turn into a flame war. Please use caution.

What do you mean?

For one, it's not the only one. And instead of just talking earnestly about a cool feature of Vue in a Vue thread, to say nothing of other frameworks, you've now anchored the convo to framework comparison with your incorrect premise.

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by winrid »

RNCTX wrote: post #126

Vue is the only one of the most popular 3 frameworks that can easily be used on a minimal basis to sort of "spruce up" old applications by selectively adding it here and there in the templates. Seems like they should try more marketing and community outreach toward that end. Gradual adoption is a feature / selling point not many web development frameworks can claim.

You can do this with Angular. Just create a component, insert the compiled script tag, and then you can reference it in the html like:

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by stared »

diminish wrote: post #24
lykahb wrote: post #4

I am impressed how they redesigned both internal architecture and a public API while keeping the users happy. Many well written projects fall into the trap of being a great fit for the contemporary practices but become less relevant over time as the ecosystem changes. Well done, Vue!

curious how easy it will be to move from vue 2 to vue 3

Even for a medium-size project it is not that hard. Most things are backwards-compatible and the transition can be gradual.

Our example (look at diffs): https://github.com/Quantum-Game/quantum-game-2/pull/227

Re: Vue.js 3

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Post by lhorie »

diob wrote: post #176
RNCTX wrote: post #126

Vue is the only one of the most popular 3 frameworks that can easily be used on a minimal basis to sort of "spruce up" old applications by selectively adding it here and there in the templates. Seems like they should try more marketing and community outreach toward that end. Gradual adoption is a feature / selling point not many web development frameworks can claim.

You can do the same thing with React though, you can arbitrarily render a React root anywhere, and an arbitrary number of times on the same page. For instance, I work on an app that was originally written in Backbone / Marionette, but I was able to write generic connectors to allow us to drop in React at any point in the tree. Similarly, we can go back to Marionette / Backbone at any point in the tree. It's made grad…

React is a quite bit more all-in than Vue though. For example, an old app I'm aware of has HTML generated by JSP with its own convoluted maven build process and uses a mix of AngularJS and jQuery to hydrate client-side functionality on top of it. The development workflow is a draconian exercise in acrobatics through remote desktops and VPNs in really old laptops (because "security" and unions).

Vue has similar hydration capabilities as Angular, but with React, you are pretty much forced to describe the view from scratch in JSX. To make things more fun, many islands need to be aware of each other, something that is not super idiomatic in React land.

Just some food for thought.

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