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I think (but haven't checked) that you lose the ability to boot from a microSD. I just switched it to USB because I wanted higher reliability for a semi-permanent installation and never checked if it would boot from SD if I removed the USB.
It will still boot from SD. Enabling USB boot just adds USB booting at the end of the list of things checked to boot from.
Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#62Best decision I ever made was setting up a Pi netboot server on my LAN. Now I have a whole bunch of Pi 3's and 4's scattered around my home with no local storage at all doing cool things, and I can make them boot into a completely different OS just by renaming a symlink on the server.
I can imagine that if they've made the bootloader more robust on the pi4 that this is truly excellent now.
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
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What are you using for a filesystem? NFS? My worry would be saturating the older 100Mbit connections when downloading things like docker images.
The Pi4 can do 300-350mbps, which is faster than most people's internet connection.
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What are you using for a filesystem? NFS? My worry would be saturating the older 100Mbit connections when downloading things like docker images.
The Pi4 can do 300-350mbps, which is faster than most people's internet connection.
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#65It's nice but I'm honestly baffled that it's seen as such a big deal as it's pretty trivial to make grub boot off USB, leaving the SDcard only being used doing the initial boot. Is it just about the convenience?
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> Instead of downvoting me, maybe you could explain what I'm missing? I didn't downvote you, just my opinion: > it's pretty trivial to make grub boot off USB, leaving the SDcard only being used doing the initial boot In that case you still need an SDcard, and it requires manual setup. With this you can truly boot from USB drives easily WITHOUT the SD card.
You have to update it using an SD card?
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
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The Pi4 can do 300-350mbps, which is faster than most people's internet connection.
Netbooting and mounting NFS root would be done over local lan, the speed of internet connection has no relevance there.
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#68Not a fan of Raspberry Pi. It hides behind proprietary Broadcom chip, no DSI/MIPI support and you're at the mercy of Raspberry PI for any sort of commercial implementation (RPi Zero and independent module). They do guarantee upto 2026 availability for their DIMM modules which is nice. We wanted to build commercial device using RPi but its a no go due to its blackbox nature. What they should do is to leverage their po…
In a world increasingly more virtualized, multilayered, and interconnected, how would you ensure "purity" in that regard? And can you?
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#69Not a fan of Raspberry Pi. It hides behind proprietary Broadcom chip, no DSI/MIPI support and you're at the mercy of Raspberry PI for any sort of commercial implementation (RPi Zero and independent module). They do guarantee upto 2026 availability for their DIMM modules which is nice. We wanted to build commercial device using RPi but its a no go due to its blackbox nature. What they should do is to leverage their po…
What more open alternatives are there with similar price and performance? The Beagleboards are ridiculously underpowered compared to a Raspberry Pi 4. I like the ODROIDs but I don't think they're any more open than Raspberry Pi. They also tend to be more expensive.
YMMV on all of this stuff:
* Some folks are doing microcontroller-esque things and care about openness more than performance.
* For my applications, I need the performance. The sort of open hardware, no blob stuff you're talking about would be great on principle but I may or may not take advantage of it. I'm still able to run and develop open-source Linux userspace apps without it.
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#70It's nice but I'm honestly baffled that it's seen as such a big deal as it's pretty trivial to make grub boot off USB, leaving the SDcard only being used doing the initial boot. Is it just about the convenience?
So, the microsd is an unnecessary hassle and additional component. That's why people are so happy
(and it used to work on rpi3 since years).