Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Now I have a whole bunch of Pi 3's and 4's scattered around my home with no local storage at all doing cool things Elaborate? I have a single pi3 as a Plex server, looking for more ideas.
Two play music, one into my hifi, one into my home audio distribution system. One is setup for RetroPie. One has LibreELEC installed, showing TV from my HDHomeRun. One has a GPS hat and is a local NTP server. And one boots into an Amiga emulator because I'm very old and nostalgic.
Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
51–60 of 269 posts
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#52Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Two play music, one into my hifi, one into my home audio distribution system. One is setup for RetroPie. One has LibreELEC installed, showing TV from my HDHomeRun. One has a GPS hat and is a local NTP server. And one boots into an Amiga emulator because I'm very old and nostalgic.
(If you’re able to play to both simultaneously) Do the music playback devices stay in sync?
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Raspberry Pi is an ecosystem which is based on proprietary technologies and masquerading as an open source friendly thing It depends on what layer you care about. At the application layer it is completely open. Even if the chip designs and drivers were open source, you could claim that there are proprietary processes and supply chains for the hardware and material themselves. Unless amateurs could build one from sc…
I mean, you're not wrong and it is open source at the app layer but it's not like Raspberry Pi is a purely software product. They're a hardware company, acting like a maker friendly, open source device - similar to Arduino (which btw is totally open source, even the bootloader and you can get data sheets for every single component on it), but it falls short with only the top app layer being open source. The middle la…
Nothing wrong with either approach. But your comment makes out they're a for-profit company with closed-source hardware acting like the good guys.
Not sure it's fair to label them as just another company when they're not-for-profit and pump all their money into a) product development and b) education programmes.
To be honest, if the Pi was open source hardware, everyone would buy the clones (like they do with the Arduino ones) and the charity side would have much less funding.
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think (but haven't checked) that you lose the ability to boot from a microSD. I just switched it to USB because I wanted higher reliability for a semi-permanent installation and never checked if it would boot from SD if I removed the USB.
It will still boot from SD. Enabling USB boot just adds USB booting at the end of the list of things checked to boot from.
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#56Not a fan of Raspberry Pi. It hides behind proprietary Broadcom chip, no DSI/MIPI support and you're at the mercy of Raspberry PI for any sort of commercial implementation (RPi Zero and independent module). They do guarantee upto 2026 availability for their DIMM modules which is nice. We wanted to build commercial device using RPi but its a no go due to its blackbox nature. What they should do is to leverage their po…
This is unfortunate & sad, but at least things have been moving forward. The much sadder story is wifi routers. OpenWRT used to have pretty broad support for a wide range of routers, but there have been less & less people making chipsets, and now you're probably getting either Broadcom or Qualcomm/Atheros. Broadcom has never been a "good" player in this space, but since 802.11ac routers started showing up over half a decade ago, the community has been unable to get a foothold in on Broadcom routers (I'm not sure if we have access to the bootloaders that we need, and I'm rather confident that we don't have access to open or closed drivers that we can use to run these Broadcom wifi routers).
It's frankly scary how controlled & inflexible the wifi router world is. This is further compounded by a general un-availability of add-on wifi cards: even though these chips are just PCIe devices, there's incredibly poor availability of things like PCIe cards & m.2 and mpcie cards one might add to a regular PC to make one's own wifi-router.
This is all to say, watching Broadcom has been really a scary, horrifying company to watch. The consumerization- the exclusion of the enthusiast & maker- has been very clear with Broadcom in specific, amid a market that's already shaky & at risk. The rich geeks keep fleeing to enterprise gear, the consumer keeps getting more and more stratified tiers of expensive consumer devices, and the ability to run our own networks keeps seemingly vanishing. And Broadcom is a colossus of a company that has obstructed & prevented the kind of healthy, resilient, community-powered growth that has lead to so much progress in every other sector of computing.
Leaving wifi-router discussion, I'm really hoping we start seeing more Broadcom SoC competitors show up with good offering, more single-board-computer offerings. Amlogic is doing very well with keeping upstream support, their S905X3 is a very nice chip. But the Cortex A55 core is not as powerful as the Broadcom's A73's, & there's not the dual-video out. Folks like MediaTek and Qualcomm have lots of good offerings, but no presence in the maker world. NXP does a pretty good job supporting makers, but usually at a high price point for somewhat aged cores. If you do want to investigate alternatives to RPi, this comparison of the Broadcom-based RPi4 vs an Amlogic S905X3 Odroid-C4 is a decent starting point:
https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/04/24/raspberry-pi-4-vs-od...
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#57I'd love to boot my por from usb as I have plenty of usb sticks/disks and not many as cards. Is there a performance benefit to this?
To quote directly from his post: "The results really speak for themselves. For sequential operations, using a USB SSD is 3-4x faster than using a microSD card."[0]
[0] - https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/im-booting-my-raspber... [1] - https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/fastest-usb-storage-o...
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#58From this page [1] on Raspberry Pi's Docs it seems like it's been like that for a while. Had there been a big change with this ROM specifically? [1]: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry...
It was previously in beta (may still be). I've been using this feature for some time now (at least 2-3 months I feel?).
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Instead of downvoting me, maybe you could explain what I'm missing?
> Instead of downvoting me, maybe you could explain what I'm missing? I didn't downvote you, just my opinion: > it's pretty trivial to make grub boot off USB, leaving the SDcard only being used doing the initial boot In that case you still need an SDcard, and it requires manual setup. With this you can truly boot from USB drives easily WITHOUT the SD card.
Re: Raspberry Pi 4 can finally boot directly from USB
#60Best decision I ever made was setting up a Pi netboot server on my LAN. Now I have a whole bunch of Pi 3's and 4's scattered around my home with no local storage at all doing cool things, and I can make them boot into a completely different OS just by renaming a symlink on the server.