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CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Sounds like a witch hunt. Big corpo tries to get rid of competitor. And once again government destroyed someones life. Now that he cannot do his part anymore its so easy to proof he deceived investors because well he doesn’t have any numbers to show si yeah he was lying. And besides, who didn’t flex a slide or two to show future numbers how they hoped it will look instead of honest truth. If thats the case then DOJ h…

I don't think every startup CEO is falsifying bank statements to show millions more in income to their own finance department and investors than they actually have.

We simply don't know that. That's what DOJ accuses him of - now we need to wait to hear his side of the story (and his lawyers), unless of course you believe in USA everyone is guilty without being proven of committing said crime?

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

#84

Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

- where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are an SMB SaaS but this is financial, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc SMB, especially the small end of SMB, does not often have contracts. It's more subscription based. That said, there were 2 versions of the software running at NS8. One was the original software that Adam Rogas and a co-founder created early on. That version was rather "opaque" and re…

"if the customers are fake there is no load on the system. How does engineering not figure that out?

There were real customers and the customer growth was happening, especially in 2020. The problem is that the customer base and growth was nowhere near what Adam Rogas was cooking up on the backend."

This doesn't really answer the question. The article states 40-90% of customers were fictional, as a cloud architect I would have to design based on the number of customers ++ and of course I would setup monitoring and alerting with auto scaling and it would be blatantly obvious that my utilization was not going up and that would turn into an engineering investigation.

Would it leed me to the idea that most of our customers were fake? probably not. They might not even request additional capacity, but as a architect that would lead me to ask questions. For example after an announcement or company meeting where they announce the number of new customers, I would wonder wtf? How is it that we haven't added any more capacity for all these new customers?

I would see some red flags and I would like to think I would be smart enough to start looking for something new but I haven't been in such a situation thankfully.

It's difficult to read about 200 ppl being laid off and the impact on them and thier family all bc of one stupid, greedy person.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think every startup CEO is falsifying bank statements to show millions more in income to their own finance department and investors than they actually have.

We simply don't know that. That's what DOJ accuses him of - now we need to wait to hear his side of the story (and his lawyers), unless of course you believe in USA everyone is guilty without being proven of committing said crime?

A court has an obligation to do that, a random person on the internet has no such obligation.

Eventually it will be decided by a handful of random people’s opinions based on the evidence put forth. For

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

#86
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent salary, but that's not the point. I'm distraught to realize I spent 5 months on nothing, and it's not something I'm proud to have or explain on my CV. It's cruel how much money these people throw away, but we were misled into thinking it was real. I wouldn't have taken this position to support such a scumbag.

What is cruel is I am having to file bankruptcy because of this.

Not sure if you're being serious, but if you were an early investor, isn't it on you to make sure the business is legit? Anyone can be misled by a fraudster, but some responsibility lies with the VCs and angel investors throwing money at these companies and enabling this sort of thing to happen.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

#88
An auditor was fooled while he was in the room watching while the ceo downloaded bank account statements (pages 10/11 of https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1317641...):

  d. As  part  of  its  due  diligence  process,  the  Audit  Firm had an employee
     (the “Auditor”) conduct a physical site visit at NS8’s offices in Las Vegas,
     Nevada.  The Auditor was directed by a more senior Audit Firm employee to have
     someone from NS8 log in to the online portal for each NS8 bank account, display
     the current account balance, and download monthly bank statements for fiscal
     year 2019.
  
  e. Based  on  my  interview  with  a  member  of  the  NS8 finance department
     (“Finance Employee-1”), I have learned, among other things, that on or about
     March 11, 2020, Finance Employee-1 and ROGAS met with the Auditor in ROGAS’s
     office.  The purpose of that meeting was for ROGAS and Finance Employee-1 each
     to log into the online portals for the bank accounts to which they had access
     (for ROGAS, the Revenue Bank Account) and download monthly account statements
     for the Auditor.  During that meeting, Finance Employee-1 logged into the online
     portal for the Expense Bank Account -- to which  Finance Employee-1  had  access
     -- and  downloaded  monthly  account statements.  Finance Employee-1 understood
     that ROGAS was doing the same for the Revenue Bank Account during the meeting.
  
  f. Late in the evening on or about March 11, 2020, the Auditor  emailed  another
     employee  as  follows:    “Attached  please  find the bank statements and
     screenshots that I observed [Finance Employee-1] and Adam [ROGAS] download this
     afternoon.”  Attached to  that  email,  among  other things,  were  the
     Fraudulent  Bank  Statements for the Revenue Bank Account for the period from
     January 2019 through February 2020.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

#89
Innocent before proven Guilty but I have to say seeing all these CEOs being charged with Fraud is why there has been so much noise against Capitalism as a whole and CEOs get a bad rep by default. There are so many of us (working our butts off in the background without public stunts/investors etc) and then these idiots spoil it. Being a small bootstrapped CEO myself, I am always concerned about being as honest as possible with our customers and then you have guys that are doing crazy shit. Funny thing is they mostly get away with it too. Sad world.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

#90

I feel sorry for any CEO who actually steps down to spend more time with his/her family. That explanation has now more or less been completely co-opted by "Our CEO got caught in an embarrassing scandal and they need to fade from the public eye for a bit." I now assume that anyone who gives that reason on their way out must have done something terrible that is yet or about to come to light.

The reason that euphemism flies is because of the truth behind it: people regularly make life changes to prioritize family life. The other 99.9% of people who cite this reason for change will drown out the minority that use it as a euphemism for getting caught doing bad things.
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