I’m genuinely curious what the perceived threat is here. Is it as simple as “China is going to read everyone’s stuff and use machine learning to figure out what the cool kids are doing and then brainwash them?”
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#12I’m genuinely curious what the perceived threat is here. Is it as simple as “China is going to read everyone’s stuff and use machine learning to figure out what the cool kids are doing and then brainwash them?”
But I think it's primarily just deserved reciprocity to how the CCP is behaving in general. The US and the west have bent over backward for like 30 years and all we got was just more totalitarianism, hacking, IP theft, etc. Why play?
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#14I’m genuinely curious what the perceived threat is here. Is it as simple as “China is going to read everyone’s stuff and use machine learning to figure out what the cool kids are doing and then brainwash them?”
TikTok kids are mean to Trump.
But this seems overly petty for even Trump, it's just bizarre.
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TikTok kids are mean to Trump.
I've wondered if this has all been because TikTok influencers famously tricked team Trump into thinking they had a full stadium for a rally that turned out to be humiliatingly empty. But this seems overly petty for even Trump, it's just bizarre.
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#16I’m genuinely curious what the perceived threat is here. Is it as simple as “China is going to read everyone’s stuff and use machine learning to figure out what the cool kids are doing and then brainwash them?”
In the future? Who knows what might happen if this sets a precedent. Seems like a slippery slope to me if the US government is allowed to just selectively ban communication channels on the grounds of "security".
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#171. Is it necessary to a "compelling state interest"?
Maybe they are CCP surveillance apps, but that needs be shown in court, not merely asserted.
2. Is it "narrowly tailored" to achieving this compelling purpose?
This seems narrowly tailored to two apps.
3. Does it use the "least restrictive means" to achieve the purpose?
Like demanding that they change the apps rather than banning them.
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#18I’m genuinely curious what the perceived threat is here. Is it as simple as “China is going to read everyone’s stuff and use machine learning to figure out what the cool kids are doing and then brainwash them?”
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#19I’m genuinely curious what the perceived threat is here. Is it as simple as “China is going to read everyone’s stuff and use machine learning to figure out what the cool kids are doing and then brainwash them?”
If you collect enough information on people, they can be manipulated to certain beliefs or actions. This is the same information that Facebook and Google use for advertising purposes, similar information to the Cambridge Analytica events, and the risk is China (or a nefarious actor with this information) using it to "meddle" within the US.
Apps collecting sensitive information (which maybe TikTok content counts as?) can also be used for blackmail, especially when owned by a foreign government which wouldn't even blink at blackmail.
There are other more paranoia-centered concerns around essentially-real-time location data being used to "know where in the country to attack".
Basically there are definitely legitimate concerns around large-scale data collection, but the "National Security" concern definitely seems to be "China is less trustworthy than any American company".
This is just my understanding, and am open to being proven wrong here.
Update:
I forgot to mention that I do believe there is a legitimate concern around a foreign government having what is effectively editorial control over a platform which is used by a rather-easily-influenced group as a "news source". Whether or not social media should ever be considered a source of news is a different discussion, but if a large section of the US population is believing what they see on TikTok as fact, and the content on TikTok is editorialized by a foreign state actor, it is a legitimate concern.