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Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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This warning is implied for all information, all the time.

Originally this comment irritated me a little, but to be quite honest I think it is reasonable and desirable to retrain everyone to think this way. If some content is a big problem for you, then you can and should definitely stop consuming it - warning stickers aren't going to help you do that and will never cover the nuance of sensibility you have as a real human being anyway.

The problem people have with my comment is that it undermines the implicit assumption that 'authorities' are inherently trustworthy. Sense of trust, sense of authority, those are very powerful emotional motivators. Challenging those ideas is cause to challenge one's self, and that's uncomfortable for many people.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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How many times have they had far-left on?

That's unrelated. Rogan's interviewing process wouldn't be improved by having leftists on. The point is that "we have a guy who points out contradictions" is not enough to produce productive discourse.

Then don't listen to it?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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(Washington, left-wing activist, forest fire): https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-arrest-puyallup-man-... (Oregon, arsonist, forest fire) https://thepostmillennial.com/arsonist-arrested-after-using-... I haven't found the trifecta of ('Oregon', 'Left-wing activists', 'forest fires'). But I wouldn't have written an article making a claim that it definitely didn't happen. "falsely claimed" and "debunked" are unjus…

Excuse me? Where is there "left wing activist" in the Puyallup brush fire? (Not forest fire, but whatever.) The article just says it was a streamer

Fair question (I've upvoted you). Here's more detail on the person that started it: https://heavy.com/news/2020/09/jeffrey-jeff-acord/

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Cancel culture at it's best. What happened to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to choose. If Spotify were smart they wouldn't censor any of the podcasts. Instead they would put a Twitter like message warning the user... As a way to satisfy the cancel culture crowd. I don't care about Joe or his views. But I do care about people having choice and freedom

Spotify has the right to choose what is on their platform. Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating them. But I guess that's not the kind of freedom you are interested in.

What about spotify users? Isnt that the most important cohort here?

I want to use a platform that gives me the choice - and doesnt make the choice for me.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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FWIW, highest recommendation for Philosophy Tube and ContraPoints. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_Tube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints If you want to learn about something, go to the source. I'm now +50/yo (SWM) and have had out LGBTQ friends, family, schoolmates, coworkers most of my life. One of my cousins did gender reassignment 30 years ago. On one hand I can't believe we're still talking abo…

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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I like Rogan's podcast but he definitely won't talk to anyone - When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? They may quibble over certain things but at the end of the day he wants to have a fun conversation and arguing with trans rights people for 2 or 3 hours isn't going to happen. Also they've already censored his h…

> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

I don't watch every episode so I probably just missed some but what are episodes where they spend the majority of their time arguing for two different sides? At least with someone like ben shapiro, they might have philosophical differences but they can complain about misguided leftists and woke ideology. I can't imagine him having someone on like a trans rights activist or a BLM spokesperson

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Joe Rogan makes an apology and a retraction: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFSYnUFA8Fb/?igshid=z7u5pv3sjemu

Given the vast amount of conversations he records and releases, it doesn't seem suprising in the least that he would make a mistake here and there.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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This is rather funny, because all the incentives are backwards. Joe Rogan used to be available on rss, and anyone could listen in any podcast player. Now Spotify bought him out, limiting his reach and making him only available on spotify. If the employees succeed, Rogan will revert to rss and become....more widely available. I am deeply opposed to Spotify’s efforts to close off the podcast ecosystem, so I hope the em…

But RSS distribution is hard to monetize. That's why a big part of the JRE podcast business model was uploading the videos to YouTube and also create all the highlights and such. But in YouTube they got several videos demonetized, so there's really no escape. This is the distribution problem. If you don't have distribution and rely on others for that you have to play by their rules even if they are ridiculous or brok…

> But RSS distribution is hard to monetize.

I wonder how true this really is. Several podcasts I listen to use Patreon, and based on subscriber numbers they are doing quite well for themselves.

Some of these podcasts offer vanity perks from Patreon, some lock away exclusive content that's only available there. But to access that exclusive content, the technology you use is... RSS.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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FWIW, highest recommendation for Philosophy Tube and ContraPoints. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_Tube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints If you want to learn about something, go to the source. I'm now +50/yo (SWM) and have had out LGBTQ friends, family, schoolmates, coworkers most of my life. One of my cousins did gender reassignment 30 years ago. On one hand I can't believe we're still talking abo…

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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But they'll find a way to talk to like minded people; and then you'll be surprised how many of them there are. BTW, who are those millions you want to protect? Are you afraid otherwise sensible people will be infected by some opinions expressed on media? Isn't this a bit paternalistic? It's better to fight the enemy in the open field; let's have people talk and show who they are and what they actually mean by what th…

It has been shown over [1] and over [2] and over [3] again that deplatforming is effective. So yes, they'll still find a way to talk to like-minded people, but you're incorrect if you think there will be nearly as many. You're coming at this based on the idea that everyone is rational and sensible and (re)evaluates their views based on logic. Our brains don't work like that; literally all it takes for someone to warm…

Using this reason to censor ideas that you disagree with _will_ lead to censoring ideas that you do agree with. Power corrupts, and if people have the power to censor certain ideologies, that will be corrupted and exploited.
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