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Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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Facebook helps me stay in touch with people I might not otherwise stay in touch with. It brings value into my life.

Would you not be able to stay in touch with them without Facebook? I deleted Facebook a number of years ago and still seem to be in touch with family and friends.

Personally I think facebook, instagram, and WhatsApp should be broken apart.

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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By the same logic couldn’t you also blame cell phones and the internet? And the radio? And the printing press... and any technology that increases the dissemination rate of information?

No, because "dissemination of information" is not why Facebook is so problematic. Their core philosophy of "connecting the world" is itself fundamentally flawed. There's entire fields of psychology devoted to understanding how humans connect and interact (including e.g. Robin Dunbar), and Facebook hasn't listened or followed any of it, instead preferring to build a platform that, in the end, actually breaks our abili…

If Facebook had acted morally according to your definition, wouldn’t some other less moral company step in with their own version which would be more popular (I guess because it’s engineered to be maximally viral rather than promote... social well-being) because free market. Which following that train of logic to me implies that social media basically should be regulated. What do you think?

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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Personally I've been off of Facebook since 2008 but...don't hate the player, hate the game. Facebook makes big money serving ultra-targeted ads for their customers. But, it's not the only one: see Twitter, Google, etc. Penalizing Facebook without also changing the incentive structure (personalized advertising) is a short-term, short-sighted fix.

How about hating the player and the game? The game is shit, yeah. But so's this anyone who enthusiastically said "yes, I would like to find ways to monetize people's desire to talk with each other, and do not care in the least if this involves being paid to spread disinformation, or making ad view money off of pushing people towards insane viewpoints". Yes, this includes Google. This includes Twitter. This includes e…

And how much exacy are you willing to pay per Google search?

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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This conversation has been had on HN a few dozen times now, so let me predict posts we'll see: > Framing of Facebook as just the next stage in the evolution of mass media. > Personal story about how Facebook helped someone find help or companionship in a tough time. > Admonitions about how Facebook's benefits are not worth the societal cost. > A call for regulation. > A call for a free-market solution. > A post from…

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Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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This conversation has been had on HN a few dozen times now, so let me predict posts we'll see: > Framing of Facebook as just the next stage in the evolution of mass media. > Personal story about how Facebook helped someone find help or companionship in a tough time. > Admonitions about how Facebook's benefits are not worth the societal cost. > A call for regulation. > A call for a free-market solution. > A post from…

Facebook is being targeted by cancel culture because of their refusal to entirely ban republicans off their platform.

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about hating the player and the game? The game is shit, yeah. But so's this anyone who enthusiastically said "yes, I would like to find ways to monetize people's desire to talk with each other, and do not care in the least if this involves being paid to spread disinformation, or making ad view money off of pushing people towards insane viewpoints". Yes, this includes Google. This includes Twitter. This includes e…

And how much exacy are you willing to pay per Google search?

I started to think about this and now I find myself wondering if “internet search” is one of those things that should be a public good, funded by everyone’s taxes. Like libraries - their mission is pretty much the same as Google’s stated mission “make all the world’s information accessible”. Just take it out of the realm of commerce entirely.

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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post #19

I frankly think Zuckerberg started out as a “good” guy. When you think about connecting the world it sounded great at the time, what could be better than more contact with more people? Especially when you can make billions of dollars doing it. Then it turns out that people are horrible and that over-connecting them can be fatally destructive. To deal with his cognitive dissonance at building something of nuclear-weap…

https://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-im...

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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post #21
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're implicitly arguing that Facebook should be a censor. Censoring at scale is a fool's errand. Change the incentive structure. Make Facebook operate by subscription, make timelines linear, etc. You'll never stop people from spreading dumb shit online, but you can stop it being willfully propagated to maximize engagement.

But this is absurd. We can’t give them a free pass and believe the fact that they can’t moderate content. They want all benefits of being this global giant, but none of the responsibilities. If you can’t moderate and provide a clean environment, maybe we should break them up or restrict their power, because it’s obvious they can’t handle it.

How would you suggest they go about moderating content (assuming they should)? They currently have an army of human moderators who are emotionally scarred from seeing terrible images all day long - and of course, those images were public on Facebook until reported by someone.

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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This conversation has been had on HN a few dozen times now, so let me predict posts we'll see: > Framing of Facebook as just the next stage in the evolution of mass media. > Personal story about how Facebook helped someone find help or companionship in a tough time. > Admonitions about how Facebook's benefits are not worth the societal cost. > A call for regulation. > A call for a free-market solution. > A post from…

Facebook is being targeted by cancel culture because of their refusal to entirely ban republicans off their platform.

I will assume good faith, and point out that cancel culture's main weapon is Facebook. That's where they gather all their outrage and yield it against their perceived enemies.

Re: Facebook Has Been a Disaster for the World

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because "dissemination of information" is not why Facebook is so problematic. Their core philosophy of "connecting the world" is itself fundamentally flawed. There's entire fields of psychology devoted to understanding how humans connect and interact (including e.g. Robin Dunbar), and Facebook hasn't listened or followed any of it, instead preferring to build a platform that, in the end, actually breaks our abili…

If Facebook had acted morally according to your definition, wouldn’t some other less moral company step in with their own version which would be more popular (I guess because it’s engineered to be maximally viral rather than promote... social well-being) because free market. Which following that train of logic to me implies that social media basically should be regulated. What do you think?

"If I didn't do it someone else would" is a bit of a straw-man argument and rarely actually true. But to be fair Twitter exposes and presents some of the same problems. I'll admit it's a very hard problem because for Facebook to actually try to fix itself would, by necessity, also reduce its ability to generate revenue. I hate the "decentralized" bandwagon but in a case like this, providing something less centrally controlled would most likely be a huge improvement, but that itself is a very difficult problem too.

Or, to put it succinctly: it's a people problem, and people problems are hard.

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