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CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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> It seems ironic that the co-founder of a company designed to prevent online fraud would engage in fraudulent activity himself I don't find that ironic at all. Having worked in the security space for a long time, it seems like the best people in the business are the ones who would be great at committing the crimes if not for their own morality. Someone with a weak sense of morals could easily turn to evil.

Agreed.

It reminds me of all those bogus security/antivirus apps on the Google Play store that harvest more user data than any virus ever could.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

None of it makes sense in the context of a well-run business with proper executives in place. That’s because these frauds don’t operate like a well-run business.

Usually, the upper management teams are extremely lean. The business is broken up into different silos such that few people can see the big picture. Each is led to believe they are a tiny fraction of the overall revenue, giving them the impression that the bulk of the company’s revenue must come from another department where they have no visibility. As a bonus, this motivates siloed teams to feel like they need to catchup to the rest of the company, when in reality they might be the main driver of it. It helps to have separate offices and a culture of secrecy to prevent people from comparing notes.

The CEO positions himself as a controlling, micromanaging individual at the center of everything. This makes it possible for the CEO to intercept financials and other crucial numbers en route to people who might catch on.

The rest of the management staff might be filled with people too inexperienced to recognize that something is wrong. They might think the CEO is doing them a favor by giving them a golden opportunity to advance their career into an executive position at a rocket ship startup. They don’t know what they’re doing, but they think it’s okay because the CEO has taken them under his wing.

At scale it becomes difficult to do this without at least a few people being complicit, though. A fraudster usually has several close associates who can be trusted to be in on the fraud or at least look the other way for a while.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

#44

Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

Have you seen $GSX, a publicly traded $20B stock on Nasdaq that claims it's growing faster than early Google or Facebook and has been the subject of 5-6 short seller reports and an ongoing SEC investigation?

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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post #17
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Ex-employee here. Adam Rogas is a pathological liar and sociopath who dragged this out for years. I don't know how multiple audits failed to raise red flags over multiple $999,999.99 fake Stripe payouts. He literally inserted millions every few lines that didn't match up with the data around it. They never asked anyone else to produce the same report. Everyone involved should never be responsible for this amount of m…

Anyway folx, don't invest in a "hot startup" you've never heard of.

Do you know when the company/Rogas first came under investigation?

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the larger startups are driven by people who know financial engineering... this guy got caught because the money stopped (due to layoffs). Noone gives a shit when they're getting paid.

Nope. He got caught when it was discovered that the "customer revenue" bank account was being manipulated to look like tens of millions were in there when it was more like tens of thousands. The other bank account had tens of millions in there thanks to the investment money. The layoffs came once the board faced the truth of the matter and Adam Rogas suddenly resigned.

Okay, if that's the order, then yeah, someone should have said something.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

How would engineering know what the CEO is telling investors?

I once had a (majority-share) cofounder CEO who, when the company hit success, became extremely controlling with the books and investor relationships. There was no way for the rest of the cofounders - let alone engineering - to know what was actually going on or what the true state of health of the company was. I (and the other cofounders, and the senior engineering staff) walked away. Big life lesson.

With lazy enough investors, it wouldn't surprise me that a CEO/owner could compartmentalize enough information that the employees and investors might have totally different understandings. The CFO would be suspect, though.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyway folx, don't invest in a "hot startup" you've never heard of.

Do you know when the company/Rogas first came under investigation?

The SEC tried investigating since December 2019, possibly earlier. Again, public information.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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post #2

Ex-employee here. Adam Rogas is a pathological liar and sociopath who dragged this out for years. I don't know how multiple audits failed to raise red flags over multiple $999,999.99 fake Stripe payouts. He literally inserted millions every few lines that didn't match up with the data around it. They never asked anyone else to produce the same report. Everyone involved should never be responsible for this amount of m…

And how was the quality of product? Was it something breathtaking that it attracted $157.9M in funding?
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