Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

businessinsider.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

261–270 of 328 posts

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#261

Post by snowwrestler »

chmod775 wrote: post #150
rjtavares wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not convinced we're worse off than in previous decades. Granted, the type of views that are "offensive" changed and there were some clear power shifts (and from your statement I assume you're on the losing side of that shift), but having to conceal your views for fear of retribution was always a thing.

Now I don't know what this was like previously, but nowadays one of the most common travel advice for vacations in the US is "Do not talk about politics with Americans. It's not a good topic for dinner conversation over there." Make of that what you will. Now what I've been wondering after hearing that advice multiple times is: What do Americans talk about at dinner and other occasions? Because here political issues…

Americans still talk about politics over dinner.

This advice is more about protecting Europeans from an uncomfortable experience on vacation because of exposure to political views they will find objectionable, than about some fundamental inability to talk about politics in the U.S.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#262

Post by mxmilkb »

UncleMeat wrote: post #233
hnzix wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

But narrative goes beyond just logical inconsistencies. People can make entirely bs arguments that appear internally consistent to a surface view. Rogan is absolutely not doing leftists a favor by platforming right wing personalities, even if Milo did self-destruct.

How many times have they had far-left on?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#263

Post by specialist »

FWIW, highest recommendation for Philosophy Tube and ContraPoints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_Tube

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints

If you want to learn about something, go to the source.

I'm now +50/yo (SWM) and have had out LGBTQ friends, family, schoolmates, coworkers most of my life. One of my cousins did gender reassignment 30 years ago.

On one hand I can't believe we're still talking about this stuff. On the other, I felt like I needed to understand what people are arguing about today. (Recommendations please.)

For instance, to better accommodate some of my besties, I've been actively practicing using singular they pronouns in my every day speech. Old dog, new tricks. Fortunately, they're patient with me.

I keep thinking about something Marilyn Manson said in the aftermath of Columbine. The reactionaries were blaming angry music and video games. (Of course.) Michael Moore asked Manson what he'd say to the kids. Manson replied that he wouldn't say anything, that he'd just listen. I agree.

So whenever one of these social, cultural food fights flares up, I really don't give two shits what commentators think. I already know what the peanut gallery thinks. I can't not know.

Rather, I just want to hear from the people affected.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#264

Post by thursday0987 »

sdfhbdf wrote: post #181
anonu wrote: post #103

Cancel culture at it's best. What happened to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to choose. If Spotify were smart they wouldn't censor any of the podcasts. Instead they would put a Twitter like message warning the user... As a way to satisfy the cancel culture crowd. I don't care about Joe or his views. But I do care about people having choice and freedom

Freedom of speech applies only to government not being allowed to censor anyone. A private company may do whatever they want

except in the case of baking cakes, at which point the government will force private companies to do something they didn't want to.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#265

Post by UncleMeat »

mxmilkb wrote: post #262
UncleMeat wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But narrative goes beyond just logical inconsistencies. People can make entirely bs arguments that appear internally consistent to a surface view. Rogan is absolutely not doing leftists a favor by platforming right wing personalities, even if Milo did self-destruct.

How many times have they had far-left on?

That's unrelated. Rogan's interviewing process wouldn't be improved by having leftists on. The point is that "we have a guy who points out contradictions" is not enough to produce productive discourse.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#266

Post by UncleMeat »

ithkuil wrote: post #253
jakelazaroff wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s not. Everyone deserves the chance to talk, but everyone does not deserve to be broadcast to an audience of millions.

But they'll find a way to talk to like minded people; and then you'll be surprised how many of them there are. BTW, who are those millions you want to protect? Are you afraid otherwise sensible people will be infected by some opinions expressed on media? Isn't this a bit paternalistic? It's better to fight the enemy in the open field; let's have people talk and show who they are and what they actually mean by what th…

If sensible people are immune to racial and ethnic hatred, then why have we seen it all over the place throughout history. People should have seen right through Blood Libel and not massacred all those innocent jewish people, right?

Of course not. Media and narratives matter. Fascism has succeeded in the past at murdering millions of people. There is no fundamental reason why it couldn't happen again.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#267

Post by liability »

schwartzworld wrote: post #252
liability wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I guess that's not the kind of freedom you are interested in. I do not see a suggestion by anonu that the people they disagree with should be deprived of their freedom. To criticize people for saying something is not the same as saying they shouldn't have the right to say it. That would only be the case if somebody had an absolutely authoritarian mindset. It unnerves me how quick some are to conflate these posi…

> "People shouldn't say mean things" and "People shouldn't have the right to say mean things" are not equivalent statements unless you are an authoritarian. yup, nothing disingenuous about this analysis.

Sarcasm? If you disagree with what you quoted, perhaps you could explain why? Simply saying you disagree doesn't really move the conversation forward, does it?

It seems quite obvious to me those are not equivalent statements, but if you think I'm wrong I'm willing to listen to why you think that, if you're willing to explain it.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#268

Post by UncleMeat »

amanzi wrote: post #60
dogma1138 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.

You're right, and what really grates me is how anyone who raises similar opinions/questions is instantly labelled transphobic and told to shut up. The Motherboard/Vice article that is referenced in the article ( https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-... ) clearly states as fact that Joe Rogan is transphobic, but for anyone willing to listen Rogan's opinions will know that just isn't true.

He wasn't labeled a transphobe for being interested in a discussion of professional sporting rules, transition, and hormones. He was labeled a transphobe for using phrases like "a man in a dress" and carelessly platforming people who use similar phrases. We can observe a lot of people successfully discussing and navigating complex issues like sporting regulations without being called transphobic because they don't resort to nasty phrases like Rogan does.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#269

Post by gadabout »

ufmace wrote: post #239
latch wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alex Jones was on JRE on Feb 27, 2019, which appears to have been at the height of the litigation against him (1). I'll take your word that's what he said (so in that sense, you're right, it's a "fact"), but if you're giving him the benefit of the doubt...well, what could anyone say? He's been held in contempt of court, de-platformed, has a DWI and, more damning, has made similar inflammatory claims since. (1) - I ju…

What bothers me here is this pattern of personal destruction. It seems that certain people have somehow been declared "unpersons". The tactic is to develop a list of the 6 or so worst-sounding things they've ever done, always phrased in the shortest and most inflammatory way and devoid of any context or later explanations that might mitigate how bad they are. Then, any time that person's name comes up, a crowd of peo…

I understand your message and don't disagree, but I think choosing Alex Jones as an example for this message is crazy given that he has literally made his life's work giving a vocal platform to inflammatory content.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#270

Post by bonesss »

threeseed wrote: post #108
anonu wrote: post #103

Cancel culture at it's best. What happened to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to choose. If Spotify were smart they wouldn't censor any of the podcasts. Instead they would put a Twitter like message warning the user... As a way to satisfy the cancel culture crowd. I don't care about Joe or his views. But I do care about people having choice and freedom

Spotify has the right to choose what is on their platform. Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating them. But I guess that's not the kind of freedom you are interested in.

> Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating them.

For sure... So why is Bill Cosby still on Spotify?

And if transgender rights are our priority, why are endless numbers of outspoken anti-trans a-holes like Ted Nugent still on there?

Or, hey, what about the incredible number of songs stuffed with the n-word, the b-word, the f-word, the r-word, the c-word, anti-trans sentiment, and detailed descriptions of lawbreaking and violence?

I'm unsympathetic to shallow, hypocritical, and inconsistent morality plays.

Post reply on HN