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Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

emerongi wrote: post #127
natch wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were question marks along with the numbers. Clearly it’s a rhetorical device, presenting a reasonable speculation that matches the evidence (number of projects, and quality), as part of the natural flow of the writer making their point.

From experience, what happens internally in an organization is quite different from what is visible from the outside. Making up numbers like that is just a terrible insult to the people who work on a lot of useful stuff in Mozilla.

You can question the waste (which is obvious; Mozilla was bloated, and has no evolutionary pressure as long as the money keeps flowing in from Google deals) without it denigrating what’s useful.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by fzzzy »

blunte wrote: post #21

Either Send is more long lived than I realized, or I have a very different definition of "legacy" From the Mozilla Blog: ... we are announcing the end of life for two legacy services that grew out of the Firefox Test Pilot program: Firefox Send and Firefox Notes.

Thanks. This made me laugh out loud.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by sciurus »

sorokod wrote: post #137
jfk13 wrote: post #101

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> how many working on Firefox? 50? and 950 doing various (useless) side projects? You have a source for those numbers? It looks to me like you're just making them up because you want to sling mud.

Should not be too difficult to estimate the actual number: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central Same deal regarding people who work on FF vs those who work on FS

hgmo is a good starting place, but there is lots of code in other places that is either incorporated into a Firefox release or directly supports it.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/GitHub#Is_.22mozilla.22_the_only_gi...

(Disclosure: I work for Mozilla)

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by amedvednikov »

badsectoracula wrote: post #126
kalenx wrote: post #123

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Sorry, but a team of 50 persons in total to support a project as complex as Firefox is not reasonable speculation at all.

Is it? I feel that people vastly overestimate the actual number of competent programmers (not managers, CxOs, etc) many projects need. Consider that even here on HN we have one person who wrote their own HTML5 renderer, JS-like scripting language, CSS, etc from scratch (csmile). How do you figure that to go from that to what is needed to make a browser that renders sites properly you need to add more than 49 addition…

Can you link the HTML/CSS engine you mentioned?

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by rebuilder »

sorenjan wrote: post #131
CodesInChaos wrote: post #100

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> Recently they shipped Firefox for android that feels like alpha version. It is even unclear why did they ship it, they could have waited. Apart from extensions requiring whitelisting, how is it worse than the old mobile FF? I didn't notice any new bugs and it fixed the issues I had with the address bar hiding being fickle.

Bookmarks and top sites are only visible when opening a new tab, not when placing focus in the URL bar. If I want to go to a new site I have to either type the address, or open a new tab leading to a lot of old unused tabs that need to be cleaned up.

This made me install Fennec from F-droid.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by happypants23 »

badsectoracula wrote: post #126
kalenx wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but a team of 50 persons in total to support a project as complex as Firefox is not reasonable speculation at all.

Is it? I feel that people vastly overestimate the actual number of competent programmers (not managers, CxOs, etc) many projects need. Consider that even here on HN we have one person who wrote their own HTML5 renderer, JS-like scripting language, CSS, etc from scratch (csmile). How do you figure that to go from that to what is needed to make a browser that renders sites properly you need to add more than 49 addition…

Its not just about the code though. Somehow that code needs to keep up with the latest standards and magically be delivered to my client device. To think that a project as complex as the Firefox ecosystem can be maintained with less than 50 engineers doesn't match my experience working on large product teams.

Here's my estimate:

* A dozen build engineers to support development and builds for X client platforms

* A dozen engineers for the Javascript VM

* Dozens of engineers to support ongoing javascript and CSS standards

* A dozen engineers or more to support the firefox core

* Dedicated teams for Android, MacOS, Windows and Linux targets

* Dozens of Team/Programme/Project managers to _enable_ devs to do their best. These folks aren't optional.

* UX designers

* Graphical design artists

* Technical writers

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by wejick »

rvba wrote: post #95
torben-friis wrote: post #43

I really don't understand it. - Content was used to spread malware/illegal content - It was not profitable How are those two things something you find out after the fact? What was the reasoning for launching the product in the first place?

Nearly all their "side projects" look like greenfields used by the project teams to boost their CVs so they can land better jobs. Those teams know very well that those projects have no use case, but they dont care. Foundation does not care either, since it is busy with increasing own remuneration and politics. Meanwhile their core product lost around 10 percentage points of market share (from 15% marketshare to 5%):…

It's so negative, why people keep being cynical towards Firefox Mozilla.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by Brendinooo »

unicornporn wrote: post #107
aj3 wrote: post #64

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We still have Magic Wormhole though and it's awesome! (at least for techies) https://magic-wormhole.readthedocs.io/en/latest/welcome.html

"We" as in "the people who knows how to use the command line". Unfortunately very few of the people I send files to knows that. There's https://webwormhole.io/ and https://file.pizza/ , but can I know what they really do behind the scenes? Native open-source software for this would be a dream come true. It's 2020 and I still wrestle with sending files between devices. And no, don't take this as a wish for creating ju…

I've been using webwormhole a lot to get photos from my iPhone to my Linux box. Works great!
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