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Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by foresto »

I've been bookmarking point-to-point file transfer tools. These are not file hosting services like Firefox Send; both endpoints must be online at the same time. Nevertheless, I suspect they might be useful to some other folks here. Please post corrections or more detail on any of these if you have it. I haven't had time to try most of them yet.

WebWormhole: WebRTC encryption, direct data transfer, large file support, browser and command line. Looks more versatile than the others. Has not undergone security review yet.

https://github.com/saljam/webwormhole

https://webwormhole.io/

Magic Wormhole: Data relay required (public relay is often slow), mainly command line.

https://github.com/warner/magic-wormhole

https://magic-wormhole.readthedocs.io/

croc: End-to-end encryption, data relay required (I think), command line only.

https://github.com/schollz/croc

https://schollz.com/blog/croc6/

File Pizza: WebTorrent, seems to load entire file into RAM, browser only.

https://github.com/kern/filepizza

https://file.pizza/

Snapdrop: WebRTC encryption, local sharing only (I think), browser only.

https://github.com/RobinLinus/snapdrop

https://snapdrop.net/

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by mro_name »

causality0 wrote: post #24

Calling a service that launched only 17 months ago "legacy functionality" is troubling. Why should I engage with any new Mozilla product or service if they're going to cut it off at the knees after a year?

that's why I came to rely only on things

a) I pay for. An amount of /money/, both service and I can sustain with, or

b) I host myself.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by timvisee »

quyleanh wrote: post #142
timvisee wrote: post #67

Sad! Developer of `ffsend` here. I've built `ffsend` as CLI tool for Send to securely share files from the command line. It has been a great success! Thanks Mozilla, for building and providing this amazing service! For the interested: https://github.com/timvisee/ffsend I'm currently hosting a public Send instance myself to ffsend keep working. Let's see how long I can keep this going (and funded).

Your tool is very useful for me. Have used it since a long time. First transfer.sh and now Firefox Send are closed. What service should I trust to send file quickly and securely.

That's awesome to hear!

You can still use ffsend for now, it still works and uses the Send instance I'm hosting (send dot vis dot ee). Some generous users started sponsoring me through GitHub, so that'll definitely help keep it alive longer.

I haven't found a great alternative myself yet.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by timvisee »

cbkeller wrote: post #143
timvisee wrote: post #67

Sad! Developer of `ffsend` here. I've built `ffsend` as CLI tool for Send to securely share files from the command line. It has been a great success! Thanks Mozilla, for building and providing this amazing service! For the interested: https://github.com/timvisee/ffsend I'm currently hosting a public Send instance myself to ffsend keep working. Let's see how long I can keep this going (and funded).

Thank you for building this and keeping it running!

Happy to do so!

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by cryo »

I've build cryo for end-to-end encrypted p2p file transfers without cloud or signal server components.

Imho all solutions which require a webserver somewhere are doomed to fail at some point, or as in this case can be discontinued.

P2P tools should be client only with no servers at all to survive time and provide independency. Tools on their own don't matter either, but protocols like BitTorrent do.

https://cryonet.io

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by davisoneee »

SimeVidas wrote: post #102

Why not create a Firefox+ subscription service (for like $10 per month) and then make Send, Notes, VPN, and more exclusive to that service? Some people over here are dying to start paying for Firefox. (Mozilla donations go to the much smaller non-profit part of Mozilla and are unrelated to Firefox.)

Mozilla's deal with Google is worth 500M per year. For Firefox to be independant of Google, you'd need around 4M people subscribing to Firefox, with your $10/mo suggestion.

Now, whether Firefox NEEDS 500M per year is a different matter, but the whole idea of 'some people want to pay for Firefox' seems rather naive as a suggestion for how Firefox can be viable without Google.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by davisoneee »

naveguese wrote: post #34
cozzyd wrote: post #11

Charging a nominal amount for send seems like it would solve the malware problem and help their finances...

A Freemium model seems like the way to go for Mozilla. Is there any reason it wouldn't work that I'm not seeing?

Firefox gets 500M/year from Google (whether they _need_ that much is a different question). You'd need basically the entire current Firefox userbase to pay some amount monthly, or have a smaller subset donate massive amounts, to enable Firefox to operate independantly from Google. That seems wildly unrealistic to me.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by SimeVidas »

davisoneee wrote: post #178
SimeVidas wrote: post #102

Why not create a Firefox+ subscription service (for like $10 per month) and then make Send, Notes, VPN, and more exclusive to that service? Some people over here are dying to start paying for Firefox. (Mozilla donations go to the much smaller non-profit part of Mozilla and are unrelated to Firefox.)

Mozilla's deal with Google is worth 500M per year. For Firefox to be independant of Google, you'd need around 4M people subscribing to Firefox, with your $10/mo suggestion. Now, whether Firefox NEEDS 500M per year is a different matter, but the whole idea of 'some people want to pay for Firefox' seems rather naive as a suggestion for how Firefox can be viable without Google.

I didn’t suggest that the subscription could replace the Google deal. I merely said, why not make the services paid instead of closing them.
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