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21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

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Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

#201

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The US is all about selective enforcement, and the undesirable hacker type and their unpleasant "cryptography" is likely a higher priority for munitions enforcement than an irritable white guy with an AR-15 at the supermarket, because only one of them actually threatens the status quo.

I think the important word here is "white"

You're being racist.

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

#202

> For reasons associated with U.S. export restrictions, no cryptographic security of any kind is likely to be included in the original sources https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22687#c1 Creepiest thing with seeing this ticket (again?) is noticing that the first comment is about that is used to be illegal to write anything with cryptographic security in the US and sell/give it to the outside world. https://…

This is still in place, just now regulated[0] rather than outright illegal.

Particularly noticeable during the iOS app store[1] submission process (Android's is somewhat more lax[2] leaving the liability firmly with individual developers)

[0] https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/all-articles/15-policy-gui...

[1] https://help.apple.com/app-store-connect/#/dev88f5c7bf9

[2] https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

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post #183

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Any signatory to the Wassenaar Arrangement, which includes the entirety of North America, Europe (including Russia), Australia, India, and Pacific Asia (minus China) must consider cryptographic technologies to be munitions for the purposes of export. Now, these restrictions have been considerably loosened to the point that the export isn't really controlled, but international law still considers it a munition. The US…

Is establishing a HTTPS connection internationally exporting a munition, using a munition, or none of the above?

As far as I understand current interpretation, hosting a dowload of a piece of software that includes code capable of establishing a https connection (e.g. bundling a tls lib), on a US server, that can be dowloaded to a computer outside of the US, constitutes munitions export.

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

#204

Good for them, but PGP is essentially dead for any non-technical zealot users. S/MIME is better supported and easier to use.

I am so annoyed by anyone saying something is "dead".

I tried to use S/MIME. I really did. Went to those sleazy web pages of companies that issue certificates, was told I'd need to pay for various certificate products. Tried a free option. Tried to load the cert onto my YubiKey, tried using it in Apple Mail…

The conclusion: it is by no means easy or well supported, and requires you to deal with those sleazy cert-celling companies.

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is all about selective enforcement, and the undesirable hacker type and their unpleasant "cryptography" is likely a higher priority for munitions enforcement than an irritable white guy with an AR-15 at the supermarket, because only one of them actually threatens the status quo.

I think the important word here is "white"

Groups of black men also walk around with assault rifles.

Flagging and downvoting this doesn't make it false!

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

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post #187

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Ah, the good old days when I could just plug my IM services into one desktop app. I miss those days very much. Now I use three Electron apps on a typical work day.

Matrix bridges do that for me today! Currently using IRC and Telegram bridges, thinking about adding Slack. Sadly, Electron-based Element is still the best Matrix client by far.

The lack of thread support in Element makes Slack bridging very hard to use, sadly.

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

#207

Thunderbird has the only calendar I know that has a "multiweek" display as opposed to (well, in addition to) the utterly retarded month view that exists in every other GUI. We've been doing electronic calendars for how long now? Why are we still using a paradigm from paper based calendars? At the beginning of a month I can see three weeks ahead, but at the end of the month I can see three weeks behind. It frustrates…

Sorry for nit-picking and being off-topic (I get your point!), but I don’t think there was ever a version of Google Maps without zoom. Actually, I have the fondest memories of the first version of Google Maps (the orange-themed one). It was so much better than anything it replaced at the time, and I think it would be perfectly usable even today, 15 years later!

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

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post #196

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I see your point, but as a non-American who's flooded with videos of random Americans walking around supermarkets carrying semiautomatic rifles, I'm not sure what you mean with "tightly regulated militia".

It's a joke. The text of the 2nd amendment is slightly ambiguous. Many people (myself included) believe that the intent of it was to protect citizens' right to arm themselves, but only in the context of being a member of a state-run/regulated militia. Unfortunately SCOTUS has continually widened the scope of 2A over the years. > as a non-American who's flooded with videos of random Americans walking around supermarke…

> the intent of it was to protect citizens' right to arm themselves

Unlike european countries, the american frontier was a dangerous place where every household needed a gun. Armed citizens existed regardless whether there was a militia or not.

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

#209
post #136

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OpenPGP is the standard, gnupg is a implementation.

Right, so why talk about the standard when you mean, specifically, GnuPG? If you want an explanation of why GnuPG is dangerous for anything besides email, let me know. But parent post was very specifically NOT about GnuPG- it was about OpenPGP.

because gnupg is not the only implementation.

Re: 21 years after the request OpenPGP support gets added to Thunderbird

#210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any signatory to the Wassenaar Arrangement, which includes the entirety of North America, Europe (including Russia), Australia, India, and Pacific Asia (minus China) must consider cryptographic technologies to be munitions for the purposes of export. Now, these restrictions have been considerably loosened to the point that the export isn't really controlled, but international law still considers it a munition. The US…

Side note: don’t call the countries in the European Union “states”. They’re sovereign countries that have committed themselves through treaties to the Union, not a US like government body

Languages are strange in very different ways. The Italian word for country is "stato". How do we translate state as in "NY is a state of the USA"? Again "stato". We have "nazione" for nations but really nothing for countries. We do say "paesi esteri" for "foreign countries" but that's almost the only occurrence with that meaning. A "paese" is a town, so nobody will ever say that Germany or France are a "paese".
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