Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes • Hacker News Board

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#61

Post by simonebrunozzi » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:02 PM UTC

Wrong title, Mozilla; title should have been "Firefox Send and Firefox Notes to be discontinued soon", or something like that.

Don't hide behind the fact. Tell the fact in the title.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#62

Post by Animats » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:02 PM UTC

That's progress. I just want the browser, not a "cloud service".

Now to lose "Pocket" and bring back a bookmarks toolbar that lets you find things locally.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#63

Post by devit » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:05 PM UTC

binaryjay wrote: post #59

jherdman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using Chrome? If so https://killedbygoogle.com/ . Google is guilty of the same.

And so if Microsoft. https://pastebin.com/PMQwd8Q0

Most of these are offline software programs that you can continue to use indefinitely, or physical buildings that are very expensive to run.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#64

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:07 PM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #37

the8472 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having a consumer download a sketchy file from what should be a trusted service (it's firefox! they're the good guys!) is not good for your company image, either. I just don't understand this kind of logic. I can send mail bombs with the trusted postal service and people will open them. Does anyone blame the postal service?

> Does anyone blame the postal service? Yes? Do you think the USPS does nothing to detect bombs in the mail? You can’t earn trust by saying “that’s not my problem.”

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Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Post by nine_k » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:09 PM UTC

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #17

I'm crushed to see Firefox Send go away. It was an amazing tool. In the "This is why we can't have nice things category" it's sad to see yet another encrypted file-sharing service that is inevitably shut down when someone starts abusing it to host malware or child porn.

There is no way around it. Either [insert technology name] works for bad guys and good guys alike, or it does not work for bad guys and good guys alike. You can't make technology follow morals.

The moral panic almost inevitably tilts the scales towards [insert technology name] not working for anyone, rather than allowing bad guys use it publicly. So bad guys use it privately, and good guys... well, they can also use it privately, if they are tech-savvy enough. Otherwise, tough luck.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#66

Post by boogies » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:10 PM UTC

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #61

Wrong title, Mozilla; title should have been "Firefox Send and Firefox Notes to be discontinued soon", or something like that. Don't hide behind the fact. Tell the fact in the title.

It was “Mozilla gives up on …” before IIRC, the mods probably over-corrected the editorializing

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#67

Post by timvisee » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:11 PM UTC

Sad! Developer of `ffsend` here.

I've built `ffsend` as CLI tool for Send to securely share files from the command line. It has been a great success! Thanks Mozilla, for building and providing this amazing service!

For the interested: https://github.com/timvisee/ffsend

I'm currently hosting a public Send instance myself to ffsend keep working. Let's see how long I can keep this going (and funded).

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#68

Post by the8472 » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:12 PM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #37

the8472 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having a consumer download a sketchy file from what should be a trusted service (it's firefox! they're the good guys!) is not good for your company image, either. I just don't understand this kind of logic. I can send mail bombs with the trusted postal service and people will open them. Does anyone blame the postal service?

> Does anyone blame the postal service? Yes? Do you think the USPS does nothing to detect bombs in the mail? You can’t earn trust by saying “that’s not my problem.”

Ok, fine, they scan for bombs. So people shift to mailing sealed anthrax envelopes (which has happened). A public service is also going to be used by criminals, yet we do not expect the service to be shut down.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#69

Post by frabbit » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:13 PM UTC

And in nearly the same breath they announce a net nanny service to help people maintain their YouTube recommendations bubbles.

I like Firefox, but I worry about the direction the Mozilla Foundation are taking. At least it's Free Software.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#70

Post by Spivak » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:13 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #62

That's progress. I just want the browser, not a "cloud service". Now to lose "Pocket" and bring back a bookmarks toolbar that lets you find things locally.

Everyone in tech circles keeps saying this, and I agree, but until Mozilla finds a killer app Firefox’s only value is as an ad for Google Search.

Which is honestly super depressing so I will applaud any attempt they make at an actual sustainable income stream.