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DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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And here I would have thought the folks known in pop culture for raping and pillaging would have kept a much purer bloodline.

WTF, srsly? If there's a successful warband coming through there'll be people joining them. Only thing that counts is: can new guy fight?

The people that fought in the Kosovo were most certainly not all ethnic Albanians.

Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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As usual, the university's public relations summary of the paper does not match the claims the paper makes. It makes grandiose claims of debunkings and is written from the point of view of whatever societal issue is popular today (identity and population movement).

Link to preprint: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334525855_Populatio...

I'm not seeing any claims there that are new. It is cool to have more data on spread of culture and genes, but we've already had most of that for decades.

Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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post #3

And here I would have thought the folks known in pop culture for raping and pillaging would have kept a much purer bloodline.

WTF, srsly? If there's a successful warband coming through there'll be people joining them. Only thing that counts is: can new guy fight? The people that fought in the Kosovo were most certainly not all ethnic Albanians.

That's a whoosh

Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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I was really hoping for new information on a statistically significant difference in the amount of Neanderthal DNA in old Viking skeletons versus modern time Scandinavians.

Even going back 5500 years to Ötzi, he still only had about 5.5% Neanderthal DNA (compared to about 3% for a modern European). These Vikings would likely have been closer to us than to him.

Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Viking era was only about a thousand years ago (vs Neanderthals who died about 35,000 years ago). It's highly unlikely they weren't completely modern humans in every sense of the word. If there were populations with significant relict Neanderthal DNA, you'd be looking at more like the Celt/Gaul populations, and talking at least a thousand years before that -- think the British isles, before the Angles/Saxons move…

> If there were populations with significant relict Neanderthal DNA, you'd be looking at more like the Celt/Gaul populations, and talking at least a thousand years before that -- think the British isles, before the Angles/Saxons moved in. And even that is very... speculative history. Very speculative indeed, considering there was plenty of movement of people between the British Isles and the continent before the Angl…

There is significant amounts of Neanderthal genes in British (and all European ) genomes.

"Neanderthal-derived DNA was found in the genome of all contemporary populations". [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_...

See also: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/01/genetic-data-half-mi... ( Genetic data on half a million Brits reveal ongoing evolution and Neanderthal legacy )

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6363/655 : "We find that non-African populations outside Oceania carry between 1.8 and 2.6% Neandertal DNA"

Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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No shit. Do the people who believe immigration was invented in the 60s also believe the Vikings used to wear horned helmets?

Concepts taken as the basis of a world view not existing at all tends to throw people off as they cannot shake the later ideas of fixed hard boarders and citizenship by blood. To their worldview there should be a fundamental traceable line to back before these distinct entities existed. It is the us vs them line to many. Their ideas of ethnicity are fundamentally lies which while old aren't as old as they claim to be…

> Their ideas of ethnicity are fundamentally lies

Looks real to me: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Principal_compon...

Or are you thinking of some ridiculous weakman* version of ethnicity where no ancestors can be shared ever?

* https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/12/weak-men-are-superweap...

Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian

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I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social issues in vogue today.
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