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Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by searchableguy »

tssva wrote: post #28
tpetry wrote: post #7

As a german i am quite sure they will ratify software patents. The very sad part is the people deciding this have absolutely no understanding what they are doing and that they open the box of pandora. There is currently almost no invest money in european startups, and if everyone of these startups is liable for bogus software patents they will have absolutely no chance on getting big.

I don't like software patents but I have a hard time buying that it will limit investment further. It hasn't significantly done so in the US where software patents have long existed. I imagine it may spur investment because investors see software patents as protecting their investments in startups from both other startups and established companies. Edited to correct a typo kindly pointed out by a comment below.

Patents in other industries negatively affected innovation for decades. 3d printers are a prime example where recently expired patents resulted in real progress.

Those patents will affect open source which no other industry has adopted to the extent software has. Even hardware is being open sourced now as a cultural influence.

Can you point me to any other industry where small teams or individuals can build and learn the same cutting edge tech used at big companies without a big fat license and accepting legal jargon? Is lack of that a bad thing for the society as a whole? No idea is in isolation so it doesn't make sense to give exclusive rights to a single entity.

Do you wanna fight Oracle? Of course, you do just like Google.

Current situation won't give you the real picture of the impact because many companies choose not to patent software when they can.

Investors can also see lack of patents as reduced barrier to entering the market and diversify more.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by KingOfCoders »

jariel wrote: post #91
KingOfCoders wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The president of the comission is basically a civil service job.

I get what you mean, but it's a civil service with constitutional powers :). And it's designed to 'one day' be 'Presidential'. Von der Leyen, in her first speech talked about her want to create the 'United States of Europe'. Not only does this hint at the Presidential nature of the role, but also points out the problematic issue with 'lack of democracy' in that voters were told after the election that their leader ha…

When 'one day' it's presedential it will be voted for by the European parliament.

This is what 'United States of Europe' means. The EU has been on a course to more democracy and more power for the parliament (e.g. Treaty of Lisbon), so I'm not sure why people assume this stops, argue that it is not happening or argue that it is reversing - when it is not - e.g. see GDPR.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by Roritharr »

_Microft wrote: post #77
ctas wrote: post #38

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I don't consider her being in the conservative party the actual problem. In Germany she's well known for nepotism and corruptness, even if until this day she successfully evaded the punishment. Not long ago there's been a claim that her phone contains important evidence in support of the accusation, but it turned out that data on the phone had been "accidentally" wiped.

I'm german and it's the first time I hear someone calling her corrupt or nepotistic.

Never heard the term "Berater-Affäre"?

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by vinay427 »

enaaem wrote: post #47
skocznymroczny wrote: post #25

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Conservative doesn't really mean much anymore on its own. CDU might be considered conservative by Western European standards, but it's liberal by Eastern European standards.

A lot of political labels have a different, often opposite, meaning in Europe compared to the US. A liberal in Europe refers to classical liberalism. We also have many political parties, so a liberal here is not necessary a christian conservative. Politics is more nuanced.

Did you reply to the right comment? What do US political designations have to do with European and EU politics? In any case, "a lot of political labels" implies several, and I'm not sure there are more than one or two that fit this description.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by fxtentacle »

_Microft wrote: post #77
ctas wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't consider her being in the conservative party the actual problem. In Germany she's well known for nepotism and corruptness, even if until this day she successfully evaded the punishment. Not long ago there's been a claim that her phone contains important evidence in support of the accusation, but it turned out that data on the phone had been "accidentally" wiped.

I'm german and it's the first time I hear someone calling her corrupt or nepotistic.

I'm surprised. I thought by now it was common knowledge that the corruptible involving her son and other more distant family members has cost the taxpayers 100+ millions.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by _Microft »

joes_hk wrote: post #100
_Microft wrote: post #77

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I'm german and it's the first time I hear someone calling her corrupt or nepotistic.

Maybe you have heard of the "Berateraffären". It's almost funny how they pulled it off without getting into legal trouble.

OK, thanks. I had heard about her wiped mobilphone before but didn't know what the issue was about.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen#Berater-A...

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by Quanttek »

trumpeta wrote: post #62
chki wrote: post #14

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What do you mean by that? Do you seriously think that somebody (who exactly?) is suppressing news about this court? Isn't it _a lot_ more probable that this is simply a highly technical issue that doesn't get a lot of attention? As somebody who is somewhat invested into EU law but not into patent law I have already heard about it by the way. I'm always very skeptical about this sort of vague accusation, implying that…

I don't think there is a conspiracy to suppress the information, but on the other hand I'd say EU has a long way to go in terms of PR and informing citizens. Somehow all these things always surface at 11:55

Tbh, the EU can only do so much: there are plenty of press releases, press conferences, and social media posts about their legislative proposals. However, the gatekeepers of information are different actors: Mostly the media or whoever you follow on social media. And, not without reason, such a technical debate hasn't really engaged interest in the general public. If you are actually interested in the topic or in EU law, you will likely heard about it because the gatekeepers in that field believed it might interest you

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by newbie578 »

mamon wrote: post #22
kzrdude wrote: post #16

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The enthusiasts need to temper their dreams and expectations - EU is doing fine, and doesn't need to always become more powerful or more integrated. Especially not now, when citizens don't want it.

In fact I think EU should take few steps back: the perfect state was before Lisbon treaty, when EU was basically just a free trade zone. Since Lisbon they try to make it a single country, with unified policy on international affairs, military, etc, which doesn't make sense.

Fascinating, this is such a hot topic which is going to be debated for decades. I for one think that EU needs to take several steps forward. I personally am for a single country, or how federalists like to say, United States of Europe.

It seems to me like the "best case" scenario geopolitically and economically for EU.

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