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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by heavyset_go »

mwcampbell wrote: post #447
ddevault wrote: post #340

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>I can't imagine the world of hurt, discomfort and frustration of developing against a lib set I can't read source code of or improve. Thank you . It boggles the mind that anyone who can write code would ever use a closed source operating system.

> It boggles the mind that anyone who can write code would ever use a closed source operating system. Some of us want our work to actually reach people who don't write code or sysadmin their own computer, i.e. most people in the world. I, for one, think my effort is wasted if it doesn't benefit those people. So while working exclusively on a free-software platform is tempting from an ideological purity point of view…

> Some of us want our work to actually reach people who don't write code or sysadmin their own computer, i.e. most people in the world

The majority of the internet is run on free software, and free software touches nearly every stack, even ones that are otherwise proprietary.

With regard to accessibility, there are open source tools out there that are pretty great for blind users, but they still need more work. There are also blind users that can't afford a Windows licenses or expensive screen reader software. I've worked with a local charity that helps people with sight impairments, and the money just isn't there when it comes to expensive software licenses and hardware.

If more open source options for people that have sight impairments become available, that would help a lot of those that are currently priced out of using modern technology for work, leisure and social interaction.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by leadingthenet »

m1keil wrote: post #348

As much as I would like to use this, the lack of cross platform support is a big no go for me. The same way I became 1Password customer _after_ they introduced support for Windows and Android (which I need). It looks like a wonderful product for someone who is dead set locked into Apple eco system.

Why?

This is a text editor, not a service that you might reasonably access from multiple platforms (like 1Pass).

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by rhodysurf »

connor4312 wrote: post #227
gorbypark wrote: post #211

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VS Code is built with Electron, so making an iPad VSCode would require porting Electron to Safari (Apple doesn’t allow alternative browser engines on iOS) . That should be doable seeing as the VSCode ports to the web seem to work okayish on Safari, but it world be a pretty big undertaking.

Codespaces works on iPad already https://github.com/features/codespaces It was a big undertaking :)

Do people have access to this yet? Been waiting forever

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by hashkb »

naravara wrote: post #481
patrickaljord wrote: post #468

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Working on a free software platform is not mutually exclusive with reaching the majority of end-users. You can develop web apps for example or use cross platform toolkits for native apps. That's what I do and it works great.

When you use Nova and then go back to something web based, like Atom, it becomes clear why that’s not ideal. It jut feels snappier.

And then when you go back to something terminal based, like Vim, it becomes clear...

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by ddevault »

mwcampbell wrote: post #447
ddevault wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can't imagine the world of hurt, discomfort and frustration of developing against a lib set I can't read source code of or improve. Thank you . It boggles the mind that anyone who can write code would ever use a closed source operating system.

> It boggles the mind that anyone who can write code would ever use a closed source operating system. Some of us want our work to actually reach people who don't write code or sysadmin their own computer, i.e. most people in the world. I, for one, think my effort is wasted if it doesn't benefit those people. So while working exclusively on a free-software platform is tempting from an ideological purity point of view…

Do you not see how this is a self-defeating attitude? Do you recall when I suggested that you would be a great fit for leading an organization devoted to improving accessibility in free software? Have you resigned yourself to failure in the pursuit of improving access to open source for users with accessibility requirements? It'd be a pity to know that was the case.

I really wish you would step up and embrace the ideals you espouse, because I think that you could make an amazing impact if you applied yourself to it.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by hashkb »

Panic should stop making editors, and if they _must_ make a new one, they should not continue to make and market "web" editors.

There is a class of tech workers who find apps like this and then stop exploring. As a result, they become marginally effective using Panic's oversimplified workflows, and then stop exploring. I'm thinking in particular of Coda's remote editing - and wouldn't you know it, remote file browser is a promoted feature of Nova too! Built-in diffing is "on their list".

So I naturally assume that anyone who uses Panic's apps is incompatible with any project I'd be working on; because they're going to try to educate me on how much simpler and faster remote editing is than using a VCS. (Edit: and it's not their fault, it's Panic's fault, for trying to make money off text editors for people who are afraid of the command line.)

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by ksec »

threatofrain wrote: post #3

It's strange that Nova would target web tech as their top priority, and not Swift. If you're Mac-exclusive, why not advertise top-class support for Apple ecosystem app development? Since Nova is prioritizing web workflows, VSC is the elephant in the room and a very deadly competitor. It's free and open source, it's available on Windows, MacOS, Linux, and it can also be ported to the web. And it's Insanely popular and…

Well first Nova is next generation of Coda, which focused on Web Development.

Second I bet there are more Web Developers out there than there are for Mac or iOS.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by criddell »

ghego1 wrote: post #111
perardi wrote: post #66

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Oh I get that’s the market, I just hope said market is large enough for them.

Considering that for iOS/mac/apple platforms devs will probably chose xcode, and given the premium one has to pay for mac computers these days (justified or not, I'm not saying either), I fear the answer is no. Most devs that do _not_ make native apple apps (e.g. web devs) do not need a Mac, so the market of devs that do not use xcode, that prefer a Mac and that are willing to pay for a proprietary solution, over oth…

There are still a lot of web developers who choose a Mac even if they don't need one. Nice hardware running unix with a decent UI is worth a premium price to lots of people.

I think you underestimate how many developers are willing to pay for their tools proprietary or not. We know better than most how difficult it is to make software and so I think as a group are more willing to support each other financially.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by thebouv »

I feel like buying it to support them because Mac native app companies are few and far between. And Transmit was good when I needed to use it (haven't forever). And Coda was my main editor for a long time.

But I'll still use VS Code cause I work on a Mac and on Linux and it's nice for it to just be the same. And I have no complaints to solve with VS Code. It does exactly what I need for Python and other stuff.

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