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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by sneak »

threatofrain wrote: post #3

It's strange that Nova would target web tech as their top priority, and not Swift. If you're Mac-exclusive, why not advertise top-class support for Apple ecosystem app development? Since Nova is prioritizing web workflows, VSC is the elephant in the room and a very deadly competitor. It's free and open source, it's available on Windows, MacOS, Linux, and it can also be ported to the web. And it's Insanely popular and…

> It's free and open source, it's available on Windows, MacOS, Linux, and it can also be ported to the web

Common misconception. VSC's most novel/valuable features are not open source. VSC is only "open core"; all of the real value-adds are proprietary and cannot legally be forked/reused.

> One VSC feature that's been quite the remote lifesaver is shared sessions with voice chat.

Like that one.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by spiralganglion »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #180
spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

What do you think of Sublime? I'm like you and something about VS Code's design really bothers me. It's incredibly heavy and can't stop getting in my way. Sublime on the other hand feels like a sharp kitchen knife or a carbon road bike, it's amazingly light and nimble to use. I love it. Really what I miss is 2015-2018 Atom, but it seems like its time has gone.

Sublime has fantastic perf, and for the first while with Atom (when it struggled with any file bigger than a few dozen KB) I kept Sublime around for big files.

But I don't like how Sublime looks. It doesn't look designed to me — it just looks like an accretion of features placed around the window. To me, that matters a lot. That is, after all, why I'm a Mac user. Why I'm fond of indie Mac software.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by spiralganglion »

fastball wrote: post #268
spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

> Atom is slow, VS Code is appreciably worse Honestly this isn't possible. VSC had better perf than Atom 4 years ago[1]. I say this as a long-time Sublime user, which is best-in-class[2] when it comes to perf. > I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly as I want What is not customizable in VSC? When I first started using VSC, I installed an extension that made all my keybindings exactly as they were…

I didn't mean to suggest that VSC was slower than Atom — only that it wasn't meaningfully faster. The fact that the typing latency felt equivalent (ie. not native), and that I couldn't visually customize VSC to my liking (despite spending days trying) turned me off it.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by spiralganglion »

yreg wrote: post #146
spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

>The latency on every keypress is grating. May I ask what computer are you using? I would say VS Code runs 'buttery smooth' on my macs. Is this a case of me having no idea of what I'm missing?

16" MBP, i9, top GPU. As maxed-out as you can max-out a MBP.

I'm a musician, animator, and gamer — and I read Dan Luu's blog posts, haha — so I'm quite sensitive to input lag.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by liendolucas »

More and more I see new apps being released and having a subscription model. Pay X for the tool plus Y every year to get updates. Paying 99$ and then 49$ each year is (at least for me) too much money and a no go. If after a year bugs are discovered on the purchase that I initially made, why shouldn't I receive that for free? Subscriptions are ok for services and I don't really care, but products shouldn't be on a subscription model. Just my opinion.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by ooobit2 »

scott_w wrote: post #385
threentaway wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain why this is such an important feature? How often are you writing code where you're not at your desk with a real keyboard and mouse?

100% of the time for me. I prefer the trackpad over the mouse.

100% of the time for me, I wouldn't wipe my butt with a trackpad, let alone use one for work.

It's always fun for me to meet people who do things the complete opposite I do them. It's oddly satisfying, like, I'm glad someone is my polar opposite on an issue or activity.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by spiralganglion »

josephg wrote: post #199
yreg wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The latency on every keypress is grating. May I ask what computer are you using? I would say VS Code runs 'buttery smooth' on my macs. Is this a case of me having no idea of what I'm missing?

It might also matter what languages the poster is using. Programming typescript in vscode is a peerless experience. But writing C and Rust feel much worse - I get 200+ ms latency navigating around and typing sometimes, and cmd+click navigation gets janky and breaks very regularly in both of those languages. I assume the culprit is half baked language extensions. I love vscode for typescript but I’d happily switch whi…

I work with CoffeeScript (yes, I'm the one person, hah), SCSS, and HTML. No frameworks. No editor extensions. As minimal a setup as possible, aside from my two fave transpilers.

The perf I'm taking about is just purely motion to photon, with a plain text file.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by bestest »

Trying it out now. My findings so far:

- no vertical tabs (ditto for vscode though);

- no diff, unless I'm missing it;

I try to live without vertical tabs, but missing diffing is a show stopper.

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