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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by chipotle_coyote » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:55 AM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #239

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nova supports LSP, actually. As orf notes in the other reply to you, that only covers, well, plugins that involve language servers. :)

How does it? I wanted to try it for Python but I don't see how I can just configure it to talk to a language server.

That is somewhat above my pay grade, so to speak, but I imagine that you would need to write a plugin that talks to a language server (I think this is true for Code and other LSP-aware editors, too). You'd probably start by checking "show extension development items in the Extensions menu," then select "Create New Extension..." in that menu and choose "Language Server Extension" in the pane that comes up next. That looks like it creates a skeleton extension for you with the basic details filled in.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by nixpulvis » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 1:58 AM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #75

Brendinooo wrote: post #2

> Here's a little editor story for fun. During beta we found some bugs in Apple's text layout engine that we just could not fix. Our solution? Writing our own text layout manager… from scratch. Not only did this fix the bugs, but it also boosted our editor's performance. We're not messing around! Seems like there's nobody better than Panic at doing this sort of thing. They're willing to push Apple's UI forward, but t…

The company itself would likely have become part of Apple if not for one bit of unlucky timing. Apple wanted to turn Panic's Mac OS 9 music player, Audion, into iTunes. https://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

Why must success be becoming part of Apple?

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by heavyset_go » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:04 AM UTC

sho_hn wrote: post #261

Brendinooo wrote: post #2

> Here's a little editor story for fun. During beta we found some bugs in Apple's text layout engine that we just could not fix. Our solution? Writing our own text layout manager… from scratch. Not only did this fix the bugs, but it also boosted our editor's performance. We're not messing around! Seems like there's nobody better than Panic at doing this sort of thing. They're willing to push Apple's UI forward, but t…

To me, the quote and what you put after came as a big surprise - I was ready to nod in agreement as you recognize this as a sad story about the platform. The last time I was working on a text editor (KDE's Kate) and found a bug in the text layout engine it was written against (Qt's), I wrote a patch, submitted it upstream and it made everyone else's apps better, too. I can't imagine the world of hurt, discomfort and…

Kate replaced Sublime Text for me, so thanks!

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by sterlind » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:09 AM UTC

mcdevilkiller wrote: post #252

copperx wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost agree; but in my experience, JetBrains IDEs are worth every cent. I am more productive on them than in Visual Studio Code, even for "simple" tasks, like raw HTML/CSS/JS editing.

I default to WebStorm and sometimes CLion and Idea. I recently tried Rider as a Visual Studio Community replacement, and holy smokes, it's really fast compared to VS+R#, looks really good, and has all the other JetBrains stuff.

R# left a bad taste in my mouth. It quintupled start-up time for my solution (which has dozens of projects, to be fair), and destabilized VS. VS and R# ways of doing things would often conflict, and IntelliSense would frequently break. Input latency was abysmal.

VS has now mostly caught up with their feature set, and the only thing I miss is namespace refactoring (which I could implement myself with Roslyn.)

Is R# just an exception, perf-wise, to their track record?

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by sumedh » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:13 AM UTC

ddevault wrote: post #340

sho_hn wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, the quote and what you put after came as a big surprise - I was ready to nod in agreement as you recognize this as a sad story about the platform. The last time I was working on a text editor (KDE's Kate) and found a bug in the text layout engine it was written against (Qt's), I wrote a patch, submitted it upstream and it made everyone else's apps better, too. I can't imagine the world of hurt, discomfort and…

>I can't imagine the world of hurt, discomfort and frustration of developing against a lib set I can't read source code of or improve. Thank you . It boggles the mind that anyone who can write code would ever use a closed source operating system.

Do the Windows based laptops have a similar touchpad like the Mac which just works, last time I checked they did not.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by CharlesW » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:21 AM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #75

Brendinooo wrote: post #2

> Here's a little editor story for fun. During beta we found some bugs in Apple's text layout engine that we just could not fix. Our solution? Writing our own text layout manager… from scratch. Not only did this fix the bugs, but it also boosted our editor's performance. We're not messing around! Seems like there's nobody better than Panic at doing this sort of thing. They're willing to push Apple's UI forward, but t…

The company itself would likely have become part of Apple if not for one bit of unlucky timing. Apple wanted to turn Panic's Mac OS 9 music player, Audion, into iTunes. https://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

> Apple wanted to turn Panic's Mac OS 9 music player, Audion, into iTunes.

I definitely wanted to! (I'm the Charles in the story.)

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by karmelapple » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

threatofrain wrote: post #3

It's strange that Nova would target web tech as their top priority, and not Swift. If you're Mac-exclusive, why not advertise top-class support for Apple ecosystem app development? Since Nova is prioritizing web workflows, VSC is the elephant in the room and a very deadly competitor. It's free and open source, it's available on Windows, MacOS, Linux, and it can also be ported to the web. And it's Insanely popular and…

Nova is the successor to Coda, which was always a web development tool. So seems totally logical to me.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by m1keil » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

As much as I would like to use this, the lack of cross platform support is a big no go for me. The same way I became 1Password customer _after_ they introduced support for Windows and Android (which I need).

It looks like a wonderful product for someone who is dead set locked into Apple eco system.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by devit » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:27 AM UTC

How does it compare to VSCodium?

Given that it starts with the huge handicaps of being proprietary and commercial, requiring a proprietary OS with very limited hardware support, and having far less extensions than VSCodium, it seems very unlikely it can compete.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by pault » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 2:38 AM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #114

ildon wrote: post #104

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> I'm sure there's a VSC plugin for that This part of your comments nails 100% why, for me (web developer, 90% in typescript these days), it's nearly impossible to justify paying for an IDE. Visual Studio code has almost everything that I need, and what it's not baked in, is easily done with a plug-in, which in the worst case I can write myself. But that's really a worst case scenario, since to this date it has never…

In saying that, it's astonishing how much the the smart IDE features are better in Visual Studio/C# compared to VSCode/Typescript. The text editor in VSCode is better than VS (multi cursor support isnt great in VS). I would love to see VSCode get the smart refactor features from Visual Studio, working with Typescript.

I would hazard a guess that this is more to do with the soundness of C# relative to TypeScript, which had to make many sacrifices to stay compatible with decade old JavaScript conventions.